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Aug 27, 2018 07:09:53   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Frank T wrote:
Is there no bottom to the lack of morals on the right?
McCain was an icon, an American hero who stood up for what he believed in.
Have a little respect and if you can't say any thing good about this man then keep your damn mouth shut.



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Aug 27, 2018 07:10:45   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
McKinneyMike wrote:
I don't know how anyone can compare Trump to John McCain and even remotely find Trump as a "winner" in any form. McCain has more American Spirit in his urine stream than Trump will ever have.



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Aug 27, 2018 07:44:12   #
WNC Ralf Loc: Candler NC, in the mountains!
 
tRump is not worth the sweat on Senator McCain’s balls!

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Aug 27, 2018 07:45:31   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
hondo812 wrote:
Well this might shock you but I'm not all read up on the personal life of Newt and no one will ever canonize Trump. That doesn't mean he cant be an effective president. I do think many have gone over the top for McCain. Doesn't mean he was a bad senator or a good one either.


OK

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Aug 27, 2018 07:56:22   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Collie lover wrote:
The political party shouldn't matter. It's the person who is running that matters. You COULD vote Republican. You just didn't WANT to.


This was true at one time, and I hope it is again. At present I believe that running as a Republican tells me enough about a candidate to disqualify them in my eyes. This may be different in very local elections, but if you haven't noticed, the Republicans in DC tend to vote as a block. I think I have voted for Republicans in the past, don't remember for sure, but I can't see myself doing so in the foreseeable future. All I needed to know about Hillary was that she was the only viable alternative to Trump, once the primaries were over. I'm not pissed that Hillary isn't president, but I am distressed that Trump is.

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Aug 27, 2018 09:15:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thom, I'm not sure how things work where you live, but here it's money wins elections. In case you are not familiar with his wife's background, she is part of the family who owns Hensely Distributing. They're billionaires.

We are coming up to a mid-term primary election here. Two of the candidates have numerous ads on radio. Those ads are focused on why not to vote for the opponent. None of the ads talk about why I should vote for either of them, other than don't vote for the other person.

Our current president made numerous promises while running for office. He's been keeping a lot of them and working on keeping more. Do I think he's the best president? No. I wish we'd have had better choices. Instead, it's the same old situation. Who's the least worst of the two bad candidates from which we had to choose?
--Bob
thom w wrote:
That must be the reason he always loses his elections?

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Aug 27, 2018 09:18:41   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Frank T wrote:
Is there no bottom to the lack of morals on the right?
McCain was an icon, an American hero who stood up for what he believed in.
Have a little respect and if you can't say any thing good about this man then keep your damn mouth shut.

"Have a little respect and if you can't say any thing good about this man then keep your damn mouth shut."

Try that about Trump.

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Aug 27, 2018 09:24:28   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
McKinneyMike wrote:
Ask the majority of Americans if they want to get rid of ObamaCare......


OK
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/13/q-poll-65-want-some-or-all-of-obamacare-repealed/

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Aug 27, 2018 09:25:54   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Frank T wrote:
Is there no bottom to the lack of morals on the right?
McCain was an icon, an American hero who stood up for what he believed in.
Have a little respect and if you can't say any thing good about this man then keep your damn mouth shut.


Answer to your question..not since the Clintons appeared on the scene.

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Aug 27, 2018 10:44:44   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Is there no bottom to the lack of morals on the right?
McCain was an icon, an American hero who stood up for what he believed in.
Have a little respect and if you can't say any thing good about this man then keep your damn mouth shut.


Whatever mixed feelings I have about McCain aside, those on the Left said pretty much the same thing about Teddy Kennedy. Of course we all know Kennedy was an alcoholic, womanizer who allowed Mary Jo Kopechne to die while he left the scene and promoted himself a hero. Yet the Left praised him for all he did.

Dennis

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Aug 27, 2018 10:56:44   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Whatever mixed feelings I have about McCain aside, those on the Left said pretty much the same thing about Teddy Kennedy. Of course we all know Kennedy was an alcoholic, womanizer who allowed Mary Jo Kopechne to die while he left the scene and promoted himself a hero. Yet the Left praised him for all he did.

Dennis


There is no bottom left for Frank

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Aug 27, 2018 11:05:38   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Whatever mixed feelings I have about McCain aside, those on the Left said pretty much the same thing about Teddy Kennedy. Of course we all know Kennedy was an alcoholic, womanizer who allowed Mary Jo Kopechne to die while he left the scene and promoted himself a hero. Yet the Left praised him for all he did.

Dennis


It all gets back to the case of Oblio and his search for a point.
When he ends up bumping into the Rockman , the Rockman tells him....

"You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear, Ya dig?"

Liberals block out the criminal flaws of Ted Kennedy. Hell, they all lose their liberal minds everytime they hear a Kennedy say "a man sees things as they are and asks why? I see things as they could be and ask why not?" Did you know that's from a play by Shaw? It's the serpents line (yes, that Serpent aka devil).

The rose colored glasses? To be fair, we all do it. Liberals , Conservatives, I bet even Commies do it!

As for McCain, he was flawed. No doubt about that. He also served and I can't say that. He probably deserves his moment. Not a week, not a month, and not time in perpetuity.

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Aug 27, 2018 11:14:07   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
To quote Mark Twain, or what is attributed to him at least, "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
--Bob
idaholover wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_McCain

This is exactly the kind of guy Schumer would be buddies with.

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Aug 27, 2018 11:17:01   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
hondo812 wrote:
It all gets back to the case of Oblio and his search for a point.
When he ends up bumping into the Rockman , the Rockman tells him....

"You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear, Ya dig?"

Liberals block out the criminal flaws of Ted Kennedy. Hell, they all lose their liberal minds everytime they hear a Kennedy say "a man sees things as they are and asks why? I see things as they could be and ask why not?" Did you know that's from a play by Shaw? It's the serpents line (yes, that Serpent aka devil).

The rose colored glasses? To be fair, we all do it. Liberals , Conservatives, I bet even Commies do it!

As for McCain, he was flawed. No doubt about that. He also served and I can't say that. He probably deserves his moment. Not a week, not a month, and not time in perpetuity.
It all gets back to the case of Oblio and his sear... (show quote)


I can't add a damn thing to that

Ted Bundy served as an aid to Governor Dan Evans in Washington State and volunteered on a suicide prevention hot line in Seattle. That Ted sure was a fine fella!

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Aug 27, 2018 11:19:52   #
FrumCA
 
thom w wrote:
Were you good with Gingrich serving his wife divorce papers in the hospital where she was being treated for cancer? Do you have any problem with Trumps sexual exploits? Not saying you should, but I just want to know how many sets of standards you have.

You are exactly right but to be fair, don't you think you could also find some dem examples of this behavior?? Surely it's not confined to republicans. Fair is fair. Right??

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