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Aug 26, 2018 20:36:00   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
While you may find your JPEG acceptable, you can’t really make an accurate judgement without a controlled test. From a tripod, shoot the same scene, one that includes both detail and wide dynamic range at the same settings in both raw and JPEG. Process the raw photo using either the Nikon SW or Photoshop/Lightroom, being careful to adjust color, contrast and sharpness, etc. correctly (using some of the auto settings in Photoshop if you feel that you can’t do it well manually) and then compare. You might also shoot some shots intentionally underexposed and correct in post as well in making your evaluation. If you still believe that the JPEG looks better after this test, then you have two choices - either become more proficient with post processing (as you mentioned) or continue with JPEG. If on the other hand, after careful inspection, you discover the raw shot is better, then you have your answer.

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Aug 26, 2018 20:37:07   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
If jpeg floats your boat, use it as it is a personal choice. You know that you have much more flexibility with raw data if you really want to rescue that special photo that didn't quite come out of the camera right. I have a D7200 and a D500 on which I shoot large raw on the first mem card and fine jpeg on the 2nd. I only import the raw files into lightroom for final selection, PP, and the export of those few pics I keep. I use the jpegs for quick post out to social media.

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Aug 26, 2018 22:51:07   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
An image derived from RAW output can only be as good as one's RAW editing skills are. Unfortunately, many photographers who insistently shoot only in RAW format output don't really work on improving their RAW editing skills.

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Aug 26, 2018 23:21:43   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
jradose wrote:
I realize I might be opening up a can of worms with this post, but, here goes. Understand, I am by no means a professional photographer, at best, am an avid enthusiast. I shoot with a Nikon D5600, and my lens of choice is the Nikkor 70-300mm. I have been a strong believer in shooting in raw, for all of the obvious, stated reasons. This afternoon, I was shooting shots at my hummer feeder, and decided tom shoot in JPEG. I was blown away with the results. I swear, my photos are sharper, JPEG straight out of then camera, than they are shooting raw, and processing them in photoshop. It could be, perhaps, I don't know how to process them in photoshop. but right now, I am thinking, JPEG is the way to go. Here is a photo I took this afternoon, I did crop it, in camera, for better prospective. Comments are welcome.
I realize I might be opening up a can of worms wit... (show quote)

Raw files do not have any in-camera settings applied to them. That means any default sharpness, contrast, color tone, etc. which your camera may automatically apply to jpegs, is not applied to your raw files if you are using anything other then the proprietary software provided by your camera manufacturer. Proprietary software provided by Canon and Nikon does include the in camera settings when you view your files. But for non-proprietary software like Elements or Photoshop, etc., that means your raw files, unedited, will tend to be less sharp with less contrast and flatter colortone, and will often look flatter and a bit lifeless compared to straight out of camera jpegs intended as a finished product.

Raw files are not a finished product, and require editing in a good post processing program to get the best from them. The advantage of raw is the greater lattitude you have when making adjustments and the far superior results you can obtain with them in post processing versus jpegs. I suspect that this is at least part of the reason for the differences you're seeing. You may need to readdress the level of your post processing skills. There's no other logical reason why your straight out of camera jpegs should look better than the edited results of your raw files if you are skilled at using Photoshop.

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Aug 26, 2018 23:43:16   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I seriously reduced my RAW shooting with the D500, in camera processing has come a VERY long way and is pretty much making RAW unnecessary once you customize your in camera processing to match what you do in Photoshop anyway. I have had my D850 for 11 1/2 months now and STILL have not shot a single RAW image with it, the jpegs are pretty much perfect straight out of camera.
With my Canon 5D MK IV I still shoot almost all RAW as the in camera processing just does not offer nearly enough customization and Photoshop is still very much a necessity to get the color and clarity I need in my images.
I seriously reduced my RAW shooting with the D500,... (show quote)

While I remain a bit skeptical of your claim that with your D500 and D850 shooting raw is more or less unnecessary, they're clearly both very superior cameras and it's great that you're so happy with the results you're getting.

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Aug 26, 2018 23:57:18   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mwsilvers wrote:
While I remain a bit skeptical of your claim that with your D500 and D850 shooting raw is more or less unnecessary, they're clearly both very superior cameras and it's great that you're so happy with the results you're getting.


Please refer to 3 pics I posted on July 5th that are straight out of camera jpegs with no post processing at all. Their downloads are available. Please feel free to make improvements if you'd like to try it.
By the way, the two non pano pics just took first and second place at our fair. And I have sold over 20 copies of the three in the last 6 weeks since taking them. I think the results speak for themselves.

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Aug 27, 2018 00:17:47   #
IBM
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Raw files do not have any in-camera settings applied to them. That means any default sharpness, contrast, color tone, etc. which your camera may automatically apply to jpegs, is not applied to your raw files if you are using anything other then the proprietary software provided by your camera manufacturer. Proprietary software provided by Canon and Nikon does include the in camera settings when you view your files. But for non-proprietary software like Elements or Photoshop, etc., that means your raw files, unedited, will tend to be less sharp with less contrast and flatter colortone, and will often look flatter and a bit lifeless compared to straight out of camera jpegs intended as a finished product.

Raw files are not a finished product, and require editing in a good post processing program to get the best from them. The advantage of raw is the greater lattitude you have when making adjustments and the far superior results you can obtain with them in post processing versus jpegs. I suspect that this is at least part of the reason for the differences you're seeing. You may need to readdress the level of your post processing skills. There's no other logical reason why your straight out of camera jpegs should look better than the edited results of your raw files if you are skilled at using Photoshop.
Raw files do not have any in-camera settings appli... (show quote)



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Aug 27, 2018 06:07:18   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
jradose wrote:
I realize I might be opening up a can of worms with this post, but, here goes. Understand, I am by no means a professional photographer, at best, am an avid enthusiast. I shoot with a Nikon D5600, and my lens of choice is the Nikkor 70-300mm. I have been a strong believer in shooting in raw, for all of the obvious, stated reasons. This afternoon, I was shooting shots at my hummer feeder, and decided tom shoot in JPEG. I was blown away with the results. I swear, my photos are sharper, JPEG straight out of then camera, than they are shooting raw, and processing them in photoshop. It could be, perhaps, I don't know how to process them in photoshop. but right now, I am thinking, JPEG is the way to go. Here is a photo I took this afternoon, I did crop it, in camera, for better prospective. Comments are welcome.
I realize I might be opening up a can of worms wit... (show quote)


Now thats what i'm talking about. Thanks

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Aug 27, 2018 06:24:44   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Please refer to 3 pics I posted on July 5th that are straight out of camera jpegs with no post processing at all. Their downloads are available. Please feel free to make improvements if you'd like to try it.
By the way, the two non pano pics just took first and second place at our fair. And I have sold over 20 copies of the three in the last 6 weeks since taking them. I think the results speak for themselves.


If one is a newby and not well versed with his camera, RAW can help save his shot. This guy knows what he is doing and the 3 images he mentions show he knows what he's talkin' about. Personally, I'd listen.

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Aug 27, 2018 06:57:42   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
This has been discussed many times in the forum. I have sustained that modern JPEG images are of excellent quality without the artifacts that used to plague those files in the past.
The problem with RAW files is that experienced editing is an integral part of bringing the file to life. JPEG uses compression and the camera firmware for immediate results.
I use both files depending on the subject.

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Aug 27, 2018 07:47:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jradose wrote:
I realize I might be opening up a can of worms with this post...


Classic understatement!

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Aug 27, 2018 07:48:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
srt101fan wrote:
Oh no! Not again!


Now, don't be like that. Maybe we can finally find out which technique is really the best.

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Aug 27, 2018 07:49:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You don't need the approval of anyone here...


Have the rules changed?

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Aug 27, 2018 07:51:05   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have the rules changed?

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Aug 27, 2018 07:52:27   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Have the rules changed?


😂😨

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