GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan

I heard about some of the features. It's about time Nikon went to an in-body stabilizer unit! Now, when will Canon get smart?

gwilliams6

Sony also this year declared its determination to be the world's #1 camera manufacturer, by 2020.

Here is good vid from Tony Northrup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iPghlbiszs
Nikon Z6 & Z7 full-frame mirrorless camera preview (vs Sony a7 III & a7R III, Nikon D750 & D850)

IMHO Nikon releases are solid and should sell very well, especially if the F-mount adapter works well and the video autofocus is now solid.

But they fail in a couple of key features .. NO EYE-AF at all, only face detect, a deal-breaker for me. Their CIPA-rated battery life is just half of the CIPA-rated battery life of the latest Sony fullframe mirrorless. And biggest shortcoming for any pro shooter, both the Z6 and Z7 have ONLY a single card slot That is a must for any paid work, where a card failure could lose your assignment. Folks it does happen.


Interestingly they both have excellent 3.6 million dot EVFs. Sony is ready to answer this and the upcoming Canon fullframe announcement September 4th. Sony has patented EVF with 5.6 million dot resolution and twice the refresh rate of their current excellent EVfs. Sony also will have coming 4k/60p shooting, which neither Nikon has. And Sony still has the only stacked,front-illuminated sensor out in the market (A9) which eliminates rolling shutter and banding in electronic shutter shooting, which these new Nikons will be as susceptible to as current Sony's A7RIII and A7III. Expect that stacked sensor also in the upcoming Sony A7SIII.

Nikon is touting their Z6 and Z7 as "The Reinvention of Mirrorless". Nice slogan, but not really a reinvention, but a good solid entry and foundation for the future success of Nikon. What do you think? Cheers

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

B&H just sent me a big reveal in an email. It looks like a pretty cool deal. They even make a 500mm f/5.6 prime for it. And the x7 has a 47mp sensor and the x6 has a 24mp sensor. But they really don't have many other lenses to choose from. I think they will have a 24-70 f/4, a 50mm, and a 35mm lens along with the 500mm lens.

Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast

The new AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5,6E PF ED VR they announced last night it not a Z lens. It was Nikon's subtle way of showing they were still a DSLR company. The thing with that new lens is that it's very light and small for its focal length. 3.2 pounds and 9.3 inches long.

Glenn Harve

Nikon seems to have done it in a well thought out and logical manner. The system is more part of an evolution than revolution. Solid F lens compatability=major plus. Those who poo-paw late entry into the game, etc., miss much of the point. Migration costs are better mitigated. Legacy investment in the Nikon system remains largely intact. If you like the way Nikon photos look, this looks great. If you dont, take pics with what you have.

gwilliams6

All good points here folks. I am happy to see Nikon finally getting into the fullframe mirrorless market. Canon is coming very soon also, Sept 4 is rumored date of their announcement. All the real competition will keep them all innovating. Nikon will now keep many of their loyal users from switching to other brands, especially if the F-mount lens adapter works well and their video autofocus is finally fixed.

Interestingly three of the major disses from Nikon and Canon users against Sony in the past years were: lack of native lenses ,poor battery performance, and single card slot. Well Sony addressed all of that in their latest A7III, A7RIII ,A9 ,and now a full native lens lineup . . NOW Nikon is in the same boat, with a lack of latest Z-Mount native mirrorless lenses, poor CIPA-rated battery life of only 310 still shots (15 minutes of video time) per charge, and only a single card slot. What will Nikon diehards say now, or will they be quiet about these shortcomings.

These cameras will be successful, I am sure. But I wish they could have matched Sony's great EYE-AF, better battery life, dual card slots, and pixel shift ability. What do you all think here?

BTW do watch that Tony Northrup video, it has an excellent overview and comparisons, all in one concise video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iPghlbiszs

Tony and Chelsea Northrup are heading right now to NYC for hands on shooting with these new Nikon cameras, and then will have another video out soon. BTW they are avid Nikon, Canon and Sony owners, as well as Fuji, and Panasonic. They own and use all brands of gear.
Cheers to all.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

The things I photograph, such as trains, don't have eyes. If I have to use the menu system other than occasionally, that is a serious drawback.

timcc Loc: Virginia

As a Sony user, I welcome the Nikon and future Canon entries in the mirrorless market. I will stick with Sony, but the increased competition will benefit us all. That said, even if I were a Nikon fan, I would wait a year or two for the inevitable bugs to be worked out of the brand new models. Mirrorless has never been a Nikon forte, so I expect some growing pains.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

I wonder what they were thinking,since this is one big variance from how the D850 is constructed. I've never had more than one memory slot, but I don't know how others who are accustomed to two will feel.

gwilliams6

Just FYI, once you setup your favs and custom functions in the latest Sonys, you never have to touch the menu again. I never do. Not an issue anymore. Cheers

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

I would imagine that the adapter with a drive motor for old af lenses will be a huge drain over the already heavy drain of the camera being mirrorless. Any word on battery life while using adapter with screw drive lenses?

Georgeski

BIG DEAL!!!!????!!!!

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Oh, they seem to have duped me.

phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York

493 is for the Z7

Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY

While Eye-AF would have been a welcome feature, it is not a deal breaker for me with the Z6 and Z7 models. I don't know if Eye-AF is something that can be added through a firmware upgrade or not, but if it could be, I think it would be something Nikon should do, as I think there are a lot of people that would like to have that feature.

What is a big feature that is NOT included is having two card slots. I think Nikon made a big mistake by only having one card slot. I am not a Pro, but my second card slot is always set to "backup". I could see where this could and would be a deal breaker for pro's shooting a wedding or any other commercial shoot. The thought of having a card fail and losing all your shots is awful. BIG mistake Nikon, not having two card slots!

The other issue is the battery life. The Z6 is rated for 310 shots vs. 610 for the Sony A7R III, and the Z7 is rated 330 vs. 530 for the A7R III. Again, that is a big difference for a pro out on a shooting assignment where they may shoot 3000 or more shots. They will need to carry a lot of extra batteries with them. I don't think I have shot more than 700-800 shots at one time, but I always have at least 2 extra batteries with me, so not that big a deal for me. I would just need to get a couple more to be safe if I were to purchase one.

As I said in another post, I am not rushing out to pre-order either camera at this time. I will wait for it to be out for awhile,to be used and reviewed to see if there are any issues with it before I decide to purchase one or the other.