ruben.vuittonet

While I am not of Arabic descent, I think this is instructional.

"He that knows not,
and knows not that he knows not
is a fool.
Shun him

He that knows not,
and knows that he knows not
is a pupil.
Teach him.

He that knows,
and knows not that he knows
is asleep
Wake him.

He that knows,
and knows that he knows
is a teacher.
Follow him."

(Arabic proverb)

I would like to point out that this site (and other's) does not come with a full-blown, diagrammed, easy-to-read instruction manual. I have enjoyed many of the posts here, regardless of the level of expertise shown by posters.

However, should a manual come to light, I think an expression should be added (if it doesn't already exists): Photography Snobbery.

ruben.vuittonet

If you are so keen for everyone to conform to what you believe is the proper way to engage in dialogue regarding photography, perhaps you should start a thread on it and be informative rather than complaining.

JohnnyRottenNJ Loc: Northern New Jersey

ruben.vuittonet......who was your post directed to?

ruben.vuittonet

To the original post.

Hankm Loc: Delaware

I am 72 and been taking photos for years and I am not a pro and never will be, it is a never ending lesson.!!

pdwoodswood Loc: Lewisville, NC

I have a camera and I don't feel Carioca was speaking to me.
I think the camera challenged people know who they are...hopefully

Itpurs Loc: Carson City, NV

Sounds like....bitter, party of one!

piggysue33 Loc: IOWA

EVERYBODY NEEDS ALITTLE HELP ONCE IN AWHILE I DON'T THINK ALL THESE NEW PEOPLE ON HERE ARE WANNA BES I THINK THEY JUST WANT TO TAKE BETTER PICTURES TALENT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN YOU WENT TO SCHOOL FOR IT AND EVEN IF YOU DID DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ANY GOOD AT IT I HAVE BEEN A PHOTOBUG MY WHOLE LIFE PRETTY MUCH I DON'T USE PHOTOSHOP I LIKE MY PICTURES ALL NATURAL I HAVE TAKEN SO REALLY GOOD SHOTS AND SOME REALLY BAD SHOTS I HAVE 2 SISTERS AND WE ALL GO OUT TOGETHER AND TAKE PICTURES MY SISTER SHELLY HAS ENTERED STATE FAIR AND HAS PLACED AND THE PICTURE SHE ENTERED WAS TAKEN WITH A POINT AND SHOOT CAMERA THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS THAT YOU ARE PROBLY VERY GOOD AND I SUSPOSE YOU MAKE MONEY DOING IT SO IT PISSES YOU OFF ABOUT THIS YOUNGER GENERATION STEALING WORK FROM YOU AND OTHERS BECAUSE OF PHOTSHOP

Jakk Loc: Indiana

uhhh... wait rite thar a minnutt! u mean cause i got this here camra thet eyem now a REAL foetoegraffer? HAOT DANG !! but where kin i git one of them lisins? i cant go bakk to that there lisinns branch no more. i dont wanna talk bout THAT.

Heather Anne Loc: Moncks Corner Sc

I don't consider myselft a pro, would love to get there someday, but I do appreciate everyone on this site with thier expertise, I do go out and shoot photos to practice and build up a portfolio, but I also read everything and watch everything I can to learn. So I just want to say thanks to those who do answer some questions that you think we should know. I wish and have always wanted to go to school to learn more. Cant afford to though so I am learning trhough this site and anything I can get my hands on, after I read stuff, I go out and practice. I love taking pictures especially of people.

sparky192 Loc: Manitoba, Canada

For my two cents, getting a drivers license is just a paper that says you are safe enough to venture out in public with a huge heavy machine. Driving is a lifetime of learning, and for most of us, getting better each day.
Photgraphy is the same. How many people had a polaroid for the first camera. The subject didnt really matter, it was getting the picture printed in your hand that was unique.
Having too many photographers might make it tougher for pros to make a buck, but look at the advances in gear and technology and reduction in prices because of the numbers of users.
The same could be said about wanna be writers and authors. Before the advent of computers and word processors writing was a skilled trade. It took me years to establish myself and land a job as an editor for a large magazine.
NOW?? You can talk to the computer and tell it a story, then run the text through right writer or style writer, do a spelling and grammer check and fire it off to a publisher. There is so much pure crap being submitted now that a pro has trouble getting throught the door.
But life goes on. I am not a "Professional" photographer, but my work has graced the covers and pages of numerous publications in support of articles or features I have written.... and been paid for .... does that make me a pro??

BOB Loc: Texas

Don't worry about other people . If they can cut the mustard , they will go down the drain!

sparky192 Loc: Manitoba, Canada

hay Jakk

Sex wiks ago eye cudnt evun spel fotygraffer,
An now eye are wun...

----Sign on the wall of an air force photo school darkroom, around 1962! Where I got my learning!

Sensei

For some reason this thread reminds me of the candle makers of Florence who went on strike against unfair competition from the sun.

Their demand was that the homes all have the windows shuttered.

There will always be those who are proficient in any profession and those who are not.
All those in favor of " Learner permits", and an unpaid apprenticeship to licensed photographer for a few years before qualification together with the outlawing of digital photography say "Aye"
Licensing prevents new people starting out inn the field (eliminates competition) and generates money for the licensing agency and education providers. It isn't going to improve the qualities of someone else's pictures

ruben.vuittonet

Eye ham won, two!