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Jul 16, 2018 09:07:21   #
dreamon
 
imagemeister wrote:
The Minolta 58mm f1.2 is a well known bokeh monster ! ....

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Indeed. The Minolta series of 85mm manual-focus lenses are also renowned.

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Jul 16, 2018 09:17:11   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nikon and Canon lenses on my digital cameras.
I know my modern EL L series lenses are sharp and excellent.
But I notice the older lenses have a look that just can't be described.
Have those of you who use older lenses noticed this. I don't mean your sharp 105 mm lens but the other feel the lens gives.
I use my FLM 100mm f4.0 lens and my EF 100mm f2.8 L lens and for some reason like the older lens for the look it does.
Nothing wrong with the EF lens, incredibly sharp etc. but just the feel imposed on the photos.
I will not post any photos but just want to know if others like older lenses for different reasons.
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nik... (show quote)


I'm still using several old Nikkor lens on my Nikon dslr, There is one feeling that the built quality of those lenses are much better than the mostly plastic modern one, they will out last the newer one!

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Jul 16, 2018 09:26:23   #
Largobob
 
rpavich wrote:
I so tire of the "is this sharp enough?" conversation that permeates camera discussion sites. I use ONLY old lenses because my cameras are all 40+ years old! :)

You'd think that the only thing that anyone cares about is sharpness to the nth degree. My favorite photos from my families archives, my own, and of pro photogs of the past aren't sharp at all.


I'm guessing some voiced similar objections when the 'Model A' replaced the 'Model T'.... Nostalgia does have value.

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Jul 16, 2018 09:29:45   #
Kuzano
 
mas24 wrote:
I own a Nikon crop sensor 24 megapixels camera. I don't own any Nikon vintage lenses. All my lenses are autofocus. There is a lens that has received good reviews, even by Ken Rockwell. It's the Nikon 28-80mm f3.3-5.6G lens. One uhh member claims this lens is as sharp as some current expensive Nikon lenses in this general focal range. I doubt it could compare to Nikon's 24-70mm f2.8. But, for a price of less than $70, used, from eBay, that's a pretty good review. IMO. If I already didn't have a zoom lens in that range area, I would be tempted to buy that lens. Vintage manual Minolta lenses from the late 1960s-1970s have very good reviews too. However, lens improvements are always on the horizon. Look at how Sigma has become better with their Art Lenses of late.
I own a Nikon crop sensor 24 megapixels camera. I ... (show quote)


I currently have the "Rockwell Reviewed" Nikon Nikkor 28-80 f3.3 G lens. KICK ASS SHARP, aside from being cheap to acquire, I frequently buy them on eBay for around $50. My last (current one) was $25 at a garage sale with both caps and a CPL filter. I use it on a Fujifilm S2Pro, which is Fuji electronics in a Nikon body. Thinking about an adaptor to my Fuji X trans pretend rangefinder.

As Ken says, cheap construction and an eye opening SHARP lens, you can drop and break it and just buy another. They are all sharp.

HINT: the real identifier on this lens is the f3.3 max f-stop. Variations (not as sharp) are f3.5

These f3.3 lenses were made by the thousands and mounted to cheap Nikon N series film cameras. Often the best way to buy them is on an N50 to N90 camera on eBay, BUT CHECK THAT F-STOP. Half a stop faster than f3.5.

No special rendering or "drawing" characteristics, other than Sharp, Sharp, Sharp.

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Jul 16, 2018 09:41:55   #
Kuzano
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yes, I have a few of those, the old Takumar 50mm f/1.4 used glass with Thorium Oxide which is radio active, as the Thorium breaks down the lens will yellow, some feel this gives the lens very unique color properties but it can be cleared by UV light, living in Florida they can be placed on aluminum foil and left in the sun for 4 or 5 days and the lenses will clear.

https://petapixel.com/2013/05/03/decades-old-lenses-may-be-radioactive-especially-if-theyre-made-by-kodak/


I had a couple of those "Thorium Oxide" lenses. Many manufacturers used Thorium Oxide in some of their lenses.

The consequence for me was that I was never able to breed and reproduce. That was quite possibly a good thing for the world. It might have been good if more people had exposed themselves to these lenses. First comes to mind--Trump's father

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Jul 16, 2018 09:44:55   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nikon and Canon lenses on my digital cameras.
I know my modern EL L series lenses are sharp and excellent.
But I notice the older lenses have a look that just can't be described.
Have those of you who use older lenses noticed this. I don't mean your sharp 105 mm lens but the other feel the lens gives.
I use my FLM 100mm f4.0 lens and my EF 100mm f2.8 L lens and for some reason like the older lens for the look it does.
Nothing wrong with the EF lens, incredibly sharp etc. but just the feel imposed on the photos.
I will not post any photos but just want to know if others like older lenses for different reasons.
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nik... (show quote)


Okay, I'm going to post a couple of images. These were taken with my Nikon D300. The first image is with my Nippon Kogaku Nikkor-Q 200mm f4. The second image is with my Nikon DX 55-200 f4-5.6 ED kit lens at 200mm. Both images were shot and processed in exactly the same way. The two images were shot minutes apart. The camera was hand held.

So, you be the judge; but to my eye the color and contrast of the old glass is better, the sharpness not so much.

Old Glass
Old Glass...
(Download)

New Glass (plastic?)
New Glass (plastic?)...
(Download)

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Jul 16, 2018 10:52:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nikon and Canon lenses on my digital cameras.
I know my modern EL L series lenses are sharp and excellent.
But I notice the older lenses have a look that just can't be described.
Have those of you who use older lenses noticed this. I don't mean your sharp 105 mm lens but the other feel the lens gives.
I use my FLM 100mm f4.0 lens and my EF 100mm f2.8 L lens and for some reason like the older lens for the look it does.
Nothing wrong with the EF lens, incredibly sharp etc. but just the feel imposed on the photos.
I will not post any photos but just want to know if others like older lenses for different reasons.
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nik... (show quote)


I use Micro 4/3, but I have some 35 to 50 year old Canon FD, Minolta Rokkor, and Nikkor Ai lenses. I tested an adapter with the Nikkors, and the results—even with my sharp Micro 55 f/3.5—were all softer and contained more flare than I would like. The GH4 has excellent focus peaking, and I was using the lenses at their known optimal f/stop. Also, I wasn’t aiming at any light sources. So I don’t think it was user error.

I greatly prefer my Lumix zooms and macro. They are tuned for maximum performance on Micro 4/3 bodies.

I have seen some dreamy results from older Leica glass, though the images still had some flare.

Modern lenses are made for digital cameras. They have special edge blackening on the elements, and improved internal barrel blackening, to reduce internal flare. They also have special anti-reflection coatings on the REAR elements, to diminish the “bounce back” from the sensor assembly, and special baffling and seals to keep dust out. They may be weather-sealed and freeze-proofed.

Putting an old film lens made for full frame 35mm film onto a full frame digital body may indeed produce better results. In that scenario, there is less overspill of projected light in the body cavity, so less back-scatter of cropped image area from internal parts off of the insufficiently coated rear element.

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Jul 16, 2018 11:42:07   #
zzzynick Loc: Colorado
 
I had a 100-300mm L lens. It was my first L lens.
I wasn't using it enough and gave to to my daughter in law. She still uses it.
It sharp as all get out. It has a macro switch, push, pull zoom and built like a tank.
You can still find them on ebay for around 200 dollars
The are still worth the money.

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Jul 16, 2018 12:09:29   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
RWR wrote:
I like the color rendition of Leica lenses. From the early M39 rangefinder lenses to the later R lenses, there is little difference.


The Leica lenses made in Germany before the company was broken up into three devisions and production started outside of Germany were and always have been the benchmark of lens quality. One of the reasons is that the rare earths available only to Leica that were used in their glass along with Leica's advanced knowledge of color correction made them the best in the world at that time and arguably to this day. If you ever saw a color slide taken with a pre 1970's Leica camera and lens projected on a screen with a Leica Pradovit projector you would be amazed at how crisp the images are. Leica was so meticulous in their design and production that each slide projector had custom matched condenser lenses for each projector.

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Jul 16, 2018 12:24:06   #
User ID
 
BebuLamar wrote:

I use a lot of old Nikkor lenses but don't
notice anything different.


Do you mean the "look" ? I never notice all
the stuff everyone discusses ... "the glow",
"warmer colors", "rendering", yadda yadda.

And there is good reason for that. Perhaps
you share in that reason, with myself and
many others. I use plenty of ancient optics.
But my reasons are practical, not magical.

If you don't intend to, or need to, shoot
"pleasing" sooc jpegs, then you probably
share in this "good reason" to fail to see
any magical aesthetic qualities in lenses,
blithely and happily ignorant as to which
lens has special "character" or which one
is "too sterile".

If you shoot to gather the visual data that's
needed for later processing into a "pleasing"
result, then your sooc output obscures all
that "glow", "warmth", etc. Later, when you
process the images, you "season to taste",
to YOUR taste, usually defeating any "look"
that others might ascribe to your lens.

I find the whole "look" thing mysterious but
also a bit humorous. I do not doubt lenses
could have a "look" when the sooc output is
set up to render a nearly ready-for-framing
image with little or no PP. But that approach
hits me as "advanced point-and-shoot", and
the idea of discussing "the look", "glow", or
any other subtle qualities within a point-and
-shoot context just seems humorous. Just
buy the lens with the "look", avoid "messing
with" the image-making process, and voila:
Push Button - Get "Look" ... and then later
seriously discuss the "Aesthetics of Glass". I
can't expect everyone to share my sense of
humor, but I hope you can see what I mean
even if it's not all that amusing to you !


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Jul 16, 2018 12:36:23   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rmalarz wrote:
I've noticed that my 50 year old Zeiss lenses produce some very beautiful image when coupled with my D700 or D800.
--Bob



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Jul 16, 2018 12:44:39   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Kuzano wrote:
I currently have the "Rockwell Reviewed" Nikon Nikkor 28-80 f3.3 G lens. KICK ASS SHARP, aside from being cheap to acquire, I frequently buy them on eBay for around $50. My last (current one) was $25 at a garage sale with both caps and a CPL filter. I use it on a Fujifilm S2Pro, which is Fuji electronics in a Nikon body. Thinking about an adaptor to my Fuji X trans pretend rangefinder.

As Ken says, cheap construction and an eye opening SHARP lens, you can drop and break it and just buy another. They are all sharp.

HINT: the real identifier on this lens is the f3.3 max f-stop. Variations (not as sharp) are f3.5

These f3.3 lenses were made by the thousands and mounted to cheap Nikon N series film cameras. Often the best way to buy them is on an N50 to N90 camera on eBay, BUT CHECK THAT F-STOP. Half a stop faster than f3.5.

No special rendering or "drawing" characteristics, other than Sharp, Sharp, Sharp.
I currently have the "Rockwell Reviewed"... (show quote)


Now, you have really aroused my interest in this lens, after seeing this, in addition to reading Ken Rockwell's review. https://www.flickr.com/groups/737852@N20/

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Jul 16, 2018 13:15:53   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
dragonking wrote:
I have several old lenses and some are 50years old. I have to admit I bought them all from new.
I remember that some of them produced really sharp photographs and I still have the proof in negatives and prints.
I kept them so I could use them on any camera I bought with the same results.
This was true until I bought my first DSLR.
You see all of my previous lenses had M20 thread or were Tamron Adaptall.
The Adaptall (Original) fitting system adapters stopped being produced shortly after I bought the lens.
Now the bad part.
Without looking into the use of old lenses I opted for a Nikon DSLR, this was a mistake.
I like the camera and have no complaints with the results with the Nikkor lenses I bought.
I have since found out that the distance from the lens mount to the focal plane of the camera is smaller in Nikon cameras compared with other cameras.
This means that although old Nikkor lenses can be used on it with no problems, Practika or M20 lenses have to have an adapter with an auxiliary lens incorporated into it to allow for the shallower body if focus at infinity is required. Not many people don't want to focus at infinty!
Another lens behind the main lens unfortunately degrades the image and they are much softer than I remember and have proof of.
I have bought cheap and middle price range adapters and there isn't much difference between them.
I haven't used the expensive ones as I might as well buy a new lens.
The only lens I couldn't use at all was my Helios 50mm which came with my first SLR a Zenit B as the back elements of the lens go into the camera body when focusing.
It hits the auxiliary lens before full travel and I am worried about it hitting the mirror if used without the adapter.
I have several old lenses and some are 50years old... (show quote)


Distance from the lens to the focal plane of the Nikon actually is longer, not shorter than the other, that's why most other camera can adapted nikkor lens to their camera body with adapter for full function but not the other way around!
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Jul 16, 2018 14:06:18   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I think most modern day lens improvements are due to the various and improved coatings. I really do not know how you can improve grinding and polishing of a lens beyond its intended purpose. Personally, I do not care as much for the "build" of a lens as I do the IQ. I also think most of the older lenses are crap compared to latest models and I find it odd that so many put their faith and money in brand new or nearly new bodies, then use a 30, 40, or 50 year old manual focus only lens for anything but experimental use. I do think most of the differences of opinions of lens sharpness are based on using a particular lens on different bodies. Some do not seem to do as well as others. I do not know why, but that has been my experience. I have tried some legacy lenses and find them cumbersome, but in some cases fun trying to make the proverbial silk purse from a sow's ear. lol
I think we need to consult a lens maker for the real story!

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Jul 16, 2018 14:13:18   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nikon and Canon lenses on my digital cameras.
I know my modern EL L series lenses are sharp and excellent.
But I notice the older lenses have a look that just can't be described.
Have those of you who use older lenses noticed this. I don't mean your sharp 105 mm lens but the other feel the lens gives.
I use my FLM 100mm f4.0 lens and my EF 100mm f2.8 L lens and for some reason like the older lens for the look it does.
Nothing wrong with the EF lens, incredibly sharp etc. but just the feel imposed on the photos.
I will not post any photos but just want to know if others like older lenses for different reasons.
I have been looking at photos taken with older Nik... (show quote)


I often use my old Minolta lenses on my Sony a3000 and a6000 and usually love what I get from them.

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