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Jun 29, 2018 20:22:21   #
KankRat Loc: SW Chicago Suburbs
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
My reason to participate, and post an enlarged image from my iPhone 7 on this thread, was only to suggest that the quality of images taken with smart phones should not be dismissed. The images from a smart phone, in the hands of a good photographer, can be incredibly good; and probably good enough for many people, even those serious about their pictures. The images can certainly be enlarged with impressive resolution, as my post should have disclosed to all but the most resolute of naysayers.
I still carry a Df with a 35mm 1.4 lens attached to it almost everyday; and I will certainly keep and use my 800E, and post-process, when I am most serious about getting the best images possible. And, in the future, I will spend more money on better DSLR's and lenses to stick on them.
But, I still understand how good, convenient, and useful the cell phone has become--that cannot be denied.
So, to each his own, but while my iPhone is in my pocket, one of my DSLR's is always close at hand.
My reason to participate, and post an enlarged ima... (show quote)


Yup. Very often i have the DSLR with me with a telephoto. a quick shot of something up close- always the iPhone (or Samsung, LG whatever).

Macro- tiny sensor lots of DOF.

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Jun 29, 2018 20:28:48   #
Rloren
 
KankRat wrote:
Yeah. You are right, though I don't think for that shot to point the camera at subject and come up with something similar.

It's all in the processing. Apple and Samsung sell a gazillion phones at $700 a crack Nikon and Canon are a pimple on their ass. Technology on cellphones...why do we even call them phones- nobody talks anymore... are thru the roof.

When you open up a cellphone jpeg shot in Lightroom compared to a DSLR in RAW there isn't much you can do. No lattitude. You are stuck with what you got out of phone.
That said, I shoot with my iPhone all the time.

Burnham Harbor by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

IMG_0248 by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

Kankakee River Thug by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

Warner Bridge Kankakee River- Water Willow Nirvana by Mark Kasick, on Flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55893063@N04/27214308374/in/datetaken-public/

Northern Watersnake with Madtom by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

This one I got crazy in LR. Poppies on the Centennial Bike Trail by Mark Kasick, on Flickr
Yeah. You are right, though I don't think for tha... (show quote)


It's all good. I even started with a couple point and shoot cameras that took great photos.

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Jun 29, 2018 20:35:24   #
Rloren
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Turn off all those silly AF points as they are generally pointless. Just use the center one.
Then set the camera on program to eliminate the aperture hassle. If your camera is any good with those settings you should get some pretty incredible photos technically and all you need to do is the composition as things happen. That is why we have AF and program for the hurry up shots that generally the camera can do instantly.
Give it a try and QUIT fighting the camera and get into the composition and fun of taking great shots.
Good luck with this you can find joy again in taking photos. Like Kodak said you push the button we do the rest. I belive it went like that.
Turn off all those silly AF points as they are gen... (show quote)


Thanks...my post was a little bit in jest. I am really doing ok. I was just amused by my wife with no photographic experience, who just presses a button and takes great photos....
But I will try/take your advice....

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Jun 29, 2018 20:36:53   #
Haydon
 
Many of the masters use their cellphones to keep their eyes trained in composition. The convenience of it being always available (assuming you own one) is unparalleled. Using cellphones to capture 4 minute long exposures, or trigger studio lights presently is out of the question. Shooting BIF isn't even fathomable. Both cells and ILC's have advantages over one another. It's just knowing what tool to use when the situation arises.

Sorry Architect, those AF points aren't useless when you want to control DOF. I always set mine manually when I shoot landscapes (hyperfocal focus), macro/close-up or capturing the eye perfectly sharp in portraiture.

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Jun 29, 2018 20:39:37   #
KankRat Loc: SW Chicago Suburbs
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
A 20 inch by 30 inch print, now hanging on the wall in a back bedroom. Until I had this shot enlarged at Costco, I would have argued when anyone who suggested enlarging a phone image. I would have been wrong.
This is the image taken at the Apple Store by the salesperson with the IPhone 7 Plus enlarged to 20" by 30" as an experiment, and now hanging in a back, unused bedroom.
I said I would never give up my DSLR's , but the cell phones are impressive---non- believers should smell the coffee.
A 20 inch by 30 inch print, now hanging on the wal... (show quote)


If one could make an image of that quality in say, 1930 film would have died stone dead there and then. For the record I still shoot film.
A good photographer should be able to make SUPER high quality shots out of phone.
The average person that I have encountered is unaware of the settings in their phone other than photo. One spent $1200 on a iPhone X and had no idea of the portrait mode.
Those who poo-poo on the capabilties of an iphone really need to learn to exploit it.

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Jun 29, 2018 20:45:31   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Rloren wrote:
I realized my wife took that photo...err...
What's my point?...Well, I guess the technology out there is pretty amazing.....


Page after page of hogwash.

It's your wife that's amazing.

Face it!

--

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Jun 29, 2018 20:56:41   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
Bill_de wrote:
Page after page of hogwash.

It's your wife that's amazing.

Face it!

--

yeah, enough is enough except a few more question.


How many years you usually keep your camera or phone? Dslr uses previous old lens.
How often you drop and crack your camera or phone? I cracked my phone at least once.
How often is your camera/phone got stolen or misplaced? I misplaced and lost my phone at least once.

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Jun 29, 2018 20:57:57   #
Rloren
 
Bill_de wrote:
Page after page of hogwash.

It's your wife that's amazing.

Face it!

--


That was funny, thanks for the laugh. My original post was more in jest than serious.
I was just amazed by what one push of a button can do on a "phone"....

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Jun 29, 2018 22:00:36   #
jak86094
 
The “Fstoppers.com” YouTube blog includes a couple of reports of side-by-side tests of smart phones vs. DSLR cameras and picture quality. In the most recent, the smart phone performed remarkably well. My own experience shows that my old iPhone 6 has taken some beautiful pictures in low light public venues like museums and cathedrals. The lighting was truly beautiful. I’m just glad I had the iPhone along. These are frequently venues that do not allow large cameras, flashes, tripods, etc. Plus the iPhone is silent and easy to hoist above crowd and still get a sharp photo...like when I tried to get a picture of the Mona Lisa at the Louve in Paris over the nonstop tourist crowd. There were also temples in China where I could “shoot from the hip” (literally) in places that didn’t allow big cameras. Sometimes it’s the better device given the circumstances facing the photographer...at least IMHO.

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Jun 29, 2018 22:53:40   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
Is it rather boring taking pictures with a phone?

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Jun 29, 2018 23:03:59   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
f8lee wrote:
To the contrary - I never said anything about the cell phone not having the required image capture quality. I merely pointed out the convenience aspect; the trade off between having a "aim and push one button" and "envision an image you want to share and capture it by putting to use both the required gear and your knowledge as to how it all works" approaches. And that is not to say the former is inferior to the latter.

For many people and most uses, the cell phone camera is likely more than good enough. But if you check my website I daresay only a few, if any, of those shots would have been possible with my cell phone.
To the contrary - I never said anything about the ... (show quote)


You may want to see what is possible with iPhones in this case.

https://www.ippawards.com

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Jun 29, 2018 23:09:48   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
tenny52 wrote:
yeah, enough is enough except a few more question.


How many years you usually keep your camera or phone? Dslr uses previous old lens.
How often you drop and crack your camera or phone? I cracked my phone at least once.
How often is your camera/phone got stolen or misplaced? I misplaced and lost my phone at least once.


I've had a cell phone for over 25 years, perhaps 10 of them in all. They are with me 24/7. I have never cracked one, or lost one, or had it stolen. A cell phone is much much more than a phone or a camera. I can do at least 75-80% of what I can accomplish on a desktop or laptop computer on mine. The time spent using it as a camera or a phone is minuscule compared to the other things I use it for. My Galaxy s8+ cost $840. Both my son and I have one. We're paying them off monthly via my phone bill. The total monthly cost of my 18 GB data plan along with the cost of 2 phones is $229 per month with replacement insurance. Considering how valuable a tool they are, and how much easier it makes both of our lives, and how much we use them, $229 a month is a bargain. Anyone who buys a smartphone just for it's phone and camera is missing out on 95% of what these devices are capable of doing. I don't use my cell camera or calling features that much but they are there when I want them and need them. Anyone who calculates the cost of a phone based solely on the camera is not getting the big picture.

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Jun 29, 2018 23:15:19   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
KankRat wrote:
Yeah. You are right, though I don't think for that shot to point the camera at subject and come up with something similar.

It's all in the processing. Apple and Samsung sell a gazillion phones at $700 a crack Nikon and Canon are a pimple on their ass. Technology on cellphones...why do we even call them phones- nobody talks anymore... are thru the roof.

When you open up a cellphone jpeg shot in Lightroom compared to a DSLR in RAW there isn't much you can do. No lattitude. You are stuck with what you got out of phone.
That said, I shoot with my iPhone all the time.

Burnham Harbor by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

IMG_0248 by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

Kankakee River Thug by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

Warner Bridge Kankakee River- Water Willow Nirvana by Mark Kasick, on Flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55893063@N04/27214308374/in/datetaken-public/

Northern Watersnake with Madtom by Mark Kasick, on Flickr

This one I got crazy in LR. Poppies on the Centennial Bike Trail by Mark Kasick, on Flickr
Yeah. You are right, though I don't think for tha... (show quote)


If you use Lightroom, you can use your iPhone to shoot raw and a lot more features.

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Jun 30, 2018 01:09:02   #
taitman
 
Meh!.. as others have said, convenience of a camera in pocket stands alone. The D5300 is outdated and out-technologized. If point and shoot is the mode why even bother with a DSLR. A camera with refined user controls, a sensor with superior specifications, and lenses of fine glass and optics can't be diminished. All of these attributes controlled by the user through their eye's and sense of interpretation is what separates snapshots from the art of photography. Good to know about the best phone cameras to carry though.

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Jun 30, 2018 03:43:40   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Try making a 24x36 inch print from that cell phone.
--Bob


No reason it can't be done.

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