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Jun 26, 2018 13:33:19   #
loosecanon Loc: Central Texas
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
The scale of cities and towns in Europe is a lot more compact than you're used to. Streets are narrower and buildings are tall and skinny. In Paris, I almost had to be diagonally across an intersection (2 lanes both directions) to get the entirety of the facade or some distance away. And for the single lane streets, forget it.


Thanks for your comments. What you mention about tight spaces is one of my concerns.

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Jun 26, 2018 14:14:28   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
loosecanon wrote:
I almost hesitate to ask this one because I know it can so easily go off on weird tangents quite quickly. I'll be going to Europe for several weeks. I plan on using only one lens on a Canon 77d body (for light weight). I have a choice of either the Canon 15-85mm lens (which I feel is the better quality of the two) or the Canon 18-135 lens (which has a broader reach but loses the more extreme wide angle. In your experience of walking around European cities and countryside, which choice would give me better access to quality photos.
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Do not forget, the TSA will be watching, and the more Camera and Lens you take thru customs or a security point, the more of a hassle it might be. If I understand what I have read, coming back into the United States from a foreign country, you will receive the most scrutiny at customs or security.

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Jun 26, 2018 14:45:37   #
loosecanon Loc: Central Texas
 
Silverman wrote:
Do not forget, the TSA will be watching, and the more Camera and Lens you take thru customs or a security point, the more of a hassle it might be. If I understand what I have read, coming back into the United States from a foreign country, you will receive the most scrutiny at customs or security.


Ah, hadn't thought about that part. So, again, the one-lens solution makes good sense.

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Jun 26, 2018 16:22:46   #
whwiden
 
24mm to 85mm FF equivalent would be best. In city street scenes 28mm is often not wide enough.

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Jun 27, 2018 05:52:34   #
miked46 Loc: Winter Springs, Florida
 
the 15-85 is an awesome lens, almost 'L' quality and in small villages, it is the best choice, and the reach is okay for other areas.

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Jun 27, 2018 06:16:52   #
lowbone
 
I think you will be confronted with more wide angle situations then telephoto situations. Europe has lots of narrow streets and situations where you just can’t back up. I would take the 15-85.

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Jun 27, 2018 06:19:58   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
loosecanon wrote:
I almost hesitate to ask this one because I know it can so easily go off on weird tangents quite quickly. I'll be going to Europe for several weeks. I plan on using only one lens on a Canon 77d body (for light weight). I have a choice of either the Canon 15-85mm lens (which I feel is the better quality of the two) or the Canon 18-135 lens (which has a broader reach but loses the more extreme wide angle. In your experience of walking around European cities and countryside, which choice would give me better access to quality photos.
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Is there really that much loss in a wider view from a 15 to an 18?? I would take the 18-135. I think you should rethink your desire to take a camera and a lens. no 3 backup cameras, no 5 backup batteries no 6 extra lenses. You are traveling on a bumpy road.

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Jun 27, 2018 06:29:24   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
loosecanon wrote:
I almost hesitate to ask this one because I know it can so easily go off on weird tangents quite quickly. I'll be going to Europe for several weeks. I plan on using only one lens on a Canon 77d body (for light weight). I have a choice of either the Canon 15-85mm lens (which I feel is the better quality of the two) or the Canon 18-135 lens (which has a broader reach but loses the more extreme wide angle. In your experience of walking around European cities and countryside, which choice would give me better access to quality photos.
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You have already stated that you feel the 15-85 delivers better quality. I assume this is sort of one of those once in a lifetime trips. Your Canon I believe delivers a 1.6 crop factor. So that lens will deliver the equivalent focal length of 24-136 mm. The 24 is great for church interiors and city streets and at the top end you can isolate countryside vista's. The 136 is fine for reach in most European Cities and candid's of folks. You did not mention the speed but assume it is not fast but the Canon 77d is more than capable of delivering good results. TRAVEL LITE, TRAVEL RIGHT. Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.

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Jun 27, 2018 07:23:31   #
ELNikkor
 
15-85

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Jun 27, 2018 07:39:50   #
DStone Loc: Outside Winston-Salem, NC
 
Pay heed to rgrenaderphoto, above. In towns, things are closer than you are used to. So, I travel with two compacts and a DSLR with two lenses. Yeah, overkill. My main “ out and about exploring” is a RX100 m3. Unobtrusive, pocketable, nice quality. In the small backpack I carry is my rain jacket, my old monopod (which doubles as a tabletop tripod), and a Panny ZS50 that comes out only for the shots requiring a long reach or as a backup camera. The DSLR comes out when I go back to a location specifically to get that wall-hanger image. Two lenses are a super wide and a general purpose 18-300. I guess I’m saying that exploring and serious photography are two different things.

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Jun 27, 2018 07:40:37   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
loosecanon wrote:
I almost hesitate to ask this one because I know it can so easily go off on weird tangents quite quickly. I'll be going to Europe for several weeks. I plan on using only one lens on a Canon 77d body (for light weight). I have a choice of either the Canon 15-85mm lens (which I feel is the better quality of the two) or the Canon 18-135 lens (which has a broader reach but loses the more extreme wide angle. In your experience of walking around European cities and countryside, which choice would give me better access to quality photos.
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IMHO 15-85.

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Jun 27, 2018 07:41:11   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
loosecanon wrote:
I almost hesitate to ask this one because I know it can so easily go off on weird tangents quite quickly. I'll be going to Europe for several weeks. I plan on using only one lens on a Canon 77d body (for light weight). I have a choice of either the Canon 15-85mm lens (which I feel is the better quality of the two) or the Canon 18-135 lens (which has a broader reach but loses the more extreme wide angle. In your experience of walking around European cities and countryside, which choice would give me better access to quality photos.
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As you have more faith in the IQ of the 15-85 - take that one. For those times when you need to get closer - do just that. It is easier to get closer than to get further away. You have 24mpx to play with, which means that you can successfully crop later if necessary.

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Jun 27, 2018 07:42:50   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
dsmeltz wrote:
On the 77D you have a 1.6 crop factor. For Europe in-town or indoor shots you will want the widest you can get. If you can take only one, I would suggest the 15-85.

If you can invest a little, take the 18-135 and get a Canon 10-18. It is light weight and won't take up a lot of space. Right now a refurbished 10-18 is $189.99 at the Canon Outlet https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-10-18mm-f45-56-is-stm-refurbished. Given what you are already spending on the trip it might be worth it.
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10-18 is a nice lens, my #2 favorite recently.

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Jun 27, 2018 08:13:52   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I like 16mm. difference is big for my work. I use a cropped 16 70mm on my a6300 and a -- 35mm, 55mm or zeiss on my FF a7s II.
Have 70 200 too. The 16 is so much better then my 24mm cine etc. My pro xdcm camcorder is 29mm just not enough wide for some situations. Good Luck.

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Jun 27, 2018 08:15:49   #
conigk
 
I just returned from 3+ weeks in Western Europe and took way too many lenses for my crop-sensor camera. I took almost 900 pictures, also too many, that I need to get down to 150 or so. I used my Tameron 18-400 twice and used the Canon 17-55 almost exclusively, and usually at the low end. We had a lot of gloomy weather so I did not use my polarized filter much and now I have a lot of blown out skies to deal with. I continue to learn. Kathy

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