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May 25, 2018 17:59:13   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
dpcarriere wrote:
Thanks Robert

You are welcome.

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May 25, 2018 17:59:16   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
KIS-Keep it simple- Very simple!

For starters place the gem stone on a background that will emphasize its color- a green stone will look outstanding on a pinkish or magenta background or a neutral shade if you wish. Set this up near a north-lighted window, that is, light from the sky- not directly from the sun. If there is only direct sunlight, use a simple white curtain or translucent white cloth as a diffusion screen. If the stone is highly polished you may need a CPL filter. A lot depends on the surface texture, finish, facets and/or light absorbency of each specimen. A simple white card, close to the subject can proved fill lighting to bring up shadow detail if required. Mount the camera on a tripod, focus carefully and shoot.

If you like the results, you can simulate this lighting when natural light is not available with a simple light source in a soft box modifier. For small stones you will not need a very large soft box- something between 12 and 24 inches should work well.

If you are now experiencing difficulty, it is difficult to asses the issues without a example of the images that you are dissatisfied with. Shoot a few different stones with various shapes and surfaces so I can better advise you. Translucent stones can be effectively photographed with transmitted light from a simple light box.

If you want to bring out the shape a texture and/or depth of color in a stone,ring lighting is not necessarily advisable. If the stone is mounted in a setting or an item of jewelry, there are other techniques.

Just like your other craft, there are technical issues involved in the art. Read up on ANGLE OF INCIDENCE in lighting. The rule is; the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of refection. It's not terribly complex but once you have a handle on this theory it becomes easy to control reflections, render textures and shapes with extremely simple lighting. When you are working with a fixed window light situation, oftentimes just moving the camera to a slightly different angle to the light source will make all of the difference and place the reflections in the right place.

Of course you can get pretty sophisticated with macro lenses and some fancy studio gear but you will be surprised what you can do with your existing gear and the right technique.

Looking forward to your images!

Post some shots and I'll bet you will have this in hand pretty quick!

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May 25, 2018 18:12:28   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
KIS-Keep it simple- Very simple!

For starters place the gem stone on a background that will emphasize its color- a green stone will look outstanding on a pinkish or magenta background or a neutral shade if you wish. Set this up near a north-lighted window, that is, light from the sky- not directly from the sun. If there is only direct sunlight, use a simple white curtain or translucent white cloth as a diffusion screen. If the stone is highly polished you may need a CPL filter. A lot depends on the surface texture, finish, facets and/or light absorbency of each specimen. A simple white card, close to the subject can proved fill lighting to bring up shadow detail if required. Mount the camera on a tripod, focus carefully and shoot.

If you like the results, you can simulate this lighting when natural light is not available with a simple light source in a soft box modifier. For small stones you will not need a very large soft box- something between 12 and 24 inches should work well.

If you are now experiencing difficulty, it is difficult to asses the issues without a example of the images that you are dissatisfied with. Shoot a few different stones with various shapes and surfaces so I can better advise you. Translucent stones can be effectively photographed with transmitted light from a simple light box.

If you want to bring out the shape a texture and/or depth of color in a stone,ring lighting is not necessarily advisable. If the stone is mounted in a setting or an item of jewelry, there are other techniques.

Just like you other craft, there are technical issues involved in the art. Read up on ANGLE OF INCIDENCE in lighting. The rule is the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of refection. It's not terribly complex but once you have a handle on this theory it becomes easy to control reflections, render textures and shapes with extremely simple lighting. When you are working with a fixed window light situation, oftentimes just moving the camera to a slightly different angle to the light source will make all of the difference and place the reflections in the right place.

Of course you can get pretty sophisticated with macro lenses and some fancy studio gear but you will be surprised what you can do with your existing gear and the right technique.

Looking forward to your images!

Post some shots and I'll bet you will have this in hand pretty quick!
KIS-Keep it simple- Very simple! br br For starte... (show quote)



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May 26, 2018 05:41:37   #
DannyKaye Loc: Sheffield now but soon moving to Blanzay
 
There is a technique that works for cut glass, get a sheet of black card, cut a hole smaller than the object, sit object and card on a sheet of glass for support, light with a remote flash from below. Not sure if it would work for gem stones but worth a try.

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May 26, 2018 07:25:58   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
dpcarriere wrote:
Please forgive if this is out of line, I don't believe it is, or if the post is misplaced.

For many, many years 30ish+ my hobby was cutting gemstones. It was challenging on many fronts and exceedingly rewarding when all fell into place. You folks know that feeling, that rush of euphoria when you see the shot that you've always wanted that just falls into place. I became fairly decent at it before my wrist gave out. Not being ambidextrous I sold all my gear and took up photography. With gemstones in hand I figured I would stuff a few of them under the camera and take a few shots. But uhhhh, that didn't work too well. So I did my research and tried and tried again. But uhhhh, this isn't working so well. The folks that do this well aren't too keen on divulging techniques. The books and tutorials don't seem to produce those really killer photos.

Now I don't want to do this for a living. I just wanna play with my camera. So the question to the group is, can someone give me a hand with photographing gemstones? I would prefer to have them shot by someone with an interest in doing so as opposed to my doing it. Anyone??

I'm in metro Phoenix if you would like to see a couple stones.
Please forgive if this is out of line, I don't bel... (show quote)


I collect Sea Shells as another hobby, and to photograph the smooth shiny ones I have pretty much the same issues as you do with gem stones. Because of that I mainly photograph the rough and spiny ones. But for Cowries and similar, yes a light tent is the way to go.

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May 26, 2018 08:12:58   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
I shoot marbles that go from 1" to 2"s in diameter - the issue I fought with was glare. So, I made a light tent of black felt, lighting the marble from below. My avatar is one of the shots. Here is another

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May 26, 2018 08:14:26   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
BboH wrote:
I shoot marbles that go from 1" to 2"s in diameter - the issue I fought with was glare. So, I made a light tent of black felt, lighting the marble from below. My avatar is one of the shots. Here is another


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May 26, 2018 08:29:28   #
JimKing Loc: Salisbury, Maryland USA
 
This is probably too easy to be correct but since washed out is one of the problems, have you tried a wide range of exposures for a given shot? I shoot all studio type shots manually. Again these are probably not a solution, but I did not see exposure mentioned.

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May 26, 2018 08:46:23   #
Neil Barry
 
Try shooting with transmitted light. A black velvet background, with holes cut into it of the appropriate size, and light coming up from the bottom, through the gemstones. Experiment with many kinds of light, direction, etc. My experience was that point light sources worked best. I would think that some of today's LED flashlights, with adjustable beam with might work. I used microscope lamps. The same technique worked well for me photographing glass sculptures, and fine glassware.

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May 26, 2018 09:25:19   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
"Photography was supposed to be fun, just fun."


If it is worth learning it worth learning right, and that is often work (34 years as a classroom teacher who had a lot of students who complained "it isn't fun")
"Photography was supposed to be fun, just fun... (show quote)




The process can be challenging. There can be delayed gratification, however.

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May 26, 2018 09:58:37   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
dpcarriere wrote:
Thanks Robert,

The camera isn't the issue. I have a Sony A7RII 42 Meg FF and I've bolted the Sony FE 2.8/90 Macro G OSS to it. All sitting on the lovely Benro I mentioned in another thread. My pics are sharp, just crummy as well as crystal sharp. One of my big issues is lighting, of that I am aware. The lighting has to be bright and well diffused, very well diffused. A properly cut gemstone, of which mine are, will act like a beacon light source and seemingly throw out more light and color than seems is put into it. Poorly cut stones and most native cuts stones are dead and the input light sinks into them and is lost out the bottom of the stone. They are no challenge, they're "deadheads". The real challenge is to capture the essence of a properly cut gemstone without being blinded and totally washed out. A properly cut gemstone will transmit almost all light back to the viewer and in this case the camera. That is the problem.

I think John, it was, said to use a Circular Polarizing Filter. I do believe he's hit the nail on the head. So now I have to research out those sweeties as I believe there are filters and then there are FILTERS. I really didn't want this to be a life long project. It took me over 20 years to figure out how to cut a stone. Photography was supposed to be fun, just fun. Set the aperture, set the ISO, set up the shutter speed and watch all the fun.
Thanks Robert, br br The camera isn't the issue. ... (show quote)



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May 26, 2018 11:23:48   #
b roll wanabee
 
I bought a $30 USB microscope and you can do a lot with it.
A smartphone is not to be underestimated as a shortcut to true macro dslr photography.

Try doing the above as a shortcut then get back to the hard work of doing it right.
Macro photography is stunning when done right with your quality gear.

Macro photography is its own art
Lighting is its own art.
You have the gear to do amazing shots.

Best of luck

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May 26, 2018 11:25:59   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Light is key to your quest in getting great images of gemstones. Perhaps a good light box is the answer along with a good tripod and remote shutter release.
dpcarriere wrote:
Please forgive if this is out of line, I don't believe it is, or if the post is misplaced.

For many, many years 30ish+ my hobby was cutting gemstones. It was challenging on many fronts and exceedingly rewarding when all fell into place. You folks know that feeling, that rush of euphoria when you see the shot that you've always wanted that just falls into place. I became fairly decent at it before my wrist gave out. Not being ambidextrous I sold all my gear and took up photography. With gemstones in hand I figured I would stuff a few of them under the camera and take a few shots. But uhhhh, that didn't work too well. So I did my research and tried and tried again. But uhhhh, this isn't working so well. The folks that do this well aren't too keen on divulging techniques. The books and tutorials don't seem to produce those really killer photos.

Now I don't want to do this for a living. I just wanna play with my camera. So the question to the group is, can someone give me a hand with photographing gemstones? I would prefer to have them shot by someone with an interest in doing so as opposed to my doing it. Anyone??

I'm in metro Phoenix if you would like to see a couple stones.
Please forgive if this is out of line, I don't bel... (show quote)

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May 26, 2018 12:05:34   #
hankswan
 
Lots of ways to set up for gemstone photos. I have been cutting for 38 years (UltraTec) and working on photos of the finished products for almost that long. Go on eBay and look for light boxes, available in several sizes and led lights. One of the things overlooked by many photographers is the Kelvin temp of their light source. As faceters know, the apparent color of a gemstone is largely controlled by the light source lighting the stone. Hence, so called color change gems are in fact just the light source that is illuminating the stone. If you are using a light box, it is unlikely that you will need a Circular Polarizer. Buy a good Micro (Macro) lens, NOT a wide angle lens. More like a portrait lens. Wide angle lenses tend to distort your subject up close. If you are familiar with the company Rio Grande, jewelry supplies, etc. The sell a product called the "Clour Dome" take a look. Research, try and research again. It will come to you as you practice this art. IMHO

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May 26, 2018 12:51:35   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Lighting, position (composition) and focal point are what you need to capture your stones. It really isn't rocket science. Since it is macro photography, there is a macro section on UHH with many "experts" that give great advice and show examples. Posting up what you think are bad photos may lead to critique to make better/great photos.

It doesn't take the most expensive equipment. I have been breaking into macro photography with my Nikon D810, ambient light and a very old 55mm Nikon macro lens with macro tube. The fly photo is an sample I took outside in ambient light. If you view the fly in large format you can see the cataract in his eye.

I do not have any small stones to really experiment with although I have a few rocks and screws that have fallen out of my head on occasion...trying to get the best shot! LOL


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