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May 24, 2018 08:31:41   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
philo wrote:
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Yep! I paid good money for my tools, I will use whatever mode suits the situation. I go full manual on a nice landscape, But for fast action (like sports..) I'm glad for any assistance I can get!

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May 24, 2018 08:38:01   #
jcboy3
 
clickety wrote:
Help. I don't understand the terms "stepped" and "steppless" with regards to shutter speed, are there more choices available in an auto setting than manual?

On all my cameras if shooting at 1/100 my next fastest STEP is 1/125 then 1/160 then 1/200 etc. these numbers remain the same whether in manual or any of the automatic settings. What am I missing?


That's because there is no such thing as "stepless" shutter speed in modern digital cameras. There were some film cameras that featured "stepless" shutter speed. Not any more.

There are "clickless" or "declicked" apertures on some lenses; these are mainly cinema lenses although you can "declick" some non-cinema lenses. And I use a "declicked" adapter for using legacy lenses on micro four thirds cameras.

Then there is the ISO step size, which is often defaulted to one stop, but can usually be changed to 1/2 or 1/3 stop.

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May 24, 2018 08:41:45   #
johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio
 
I usually use auto, but I use manual when there is a chance of people walking between me and my subject. For instance, my 6 year old grandson plays baseball. I use a 70-300 lens, often times near 300. I focus on him specifically in auto, and then switch to manual leaving the focus ring untouched. Then if some other play or coach runs through the shot at a different distance, the camera does not focus on the wrong person. I don't trust my eye sight to focus first in manual, even with the diopter set to my vision.

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May 24, 2018 08:43:11   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
Bill_de wrote:
But there is another option (I use Nikon) that is seldom mentioned --- an exposure lock button. Just one more thing to be aware of, not better or worse.

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Agreed. I shoot with Nikon, as well. But I reprogrammed that button for back button focus purposes and have not bothered to look for an alternative button. But you are correct.

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May 24, 2018 08:51:37   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
Wellhiem wrote:
There's probably no good reason to shoot manual if you're just going to match your light meter. Most of the time I use Aperture Priority because that was the first non-manual mode I had in the days of film. When I want to move away from the meter reading, I use manual because it's easier to change aperture or shutter speed than it is to set exposure compensation.


I only use full manual with off camera flash and i want to control the shutter speed and arperture for artistic reasons. This might be 10% of my shooting. the remainder is arperture priority 70% or shutter priority 20%.

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May 24, 2018 08:53:10   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I don't think we can conclude that the poll shows 8 out of 10 hogs use Manual. It only reflects the opinions of those who chose to participate. But it does provide an interesting focus for discussion. Everything that's not Auto mode is "partial manual" with all of its shades of grey.

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May 24, 2018 09:05:56   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
johnst1001a wrote:
I usually use auto, but I use manual when there is a chance of people walking between me and my subject. For instance, my 6 year old grandson plays baseball. I use a 70-300 lens, often times near 300. I focus on him specifically in auto, and then switch to manual leaving the focus ring untouched. Then if some other play or coach runs through the shot at a different distance, the camera does not focus on the wrong person. I don't trust my eye sight to focus first in manual, even with the diopter set to my vision.
I usually use auto, but I use manual when there is... (show quote)


Btw, not sure what you shoot, but many Canons have an AF tracking mode that ignores objects passing between you and the subject - could be a help for you if available on your camera.

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May 24, 2018 09:08:13   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
The way the original question was posed skewed the results. It was an "all or nothing" question. That means that if I ever once used manual settings, then I was forced to answer Yes to manual. I think the more likely answer is that most of us use manual at times and some type of auto setting the rest of the time.

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May 24, 2018 09:14:03   #
CaptainPhoto
 
If I am more concerned with depth of field I may shoot Aperture Priority. If I'm more concerned with shooting moving subjects (birds) I use shutter priority. But most of the time I shoot Manual mode, but set my ISO as needed. I try to stay at as low an ISO as I can.
More and more professional photographers that speak at our photo club(s) highly recommend Manual Mode and control the ISO. I still want control of the ISO so the camera doesn't decide to push my ISO to 3200 or so to get the correct exposure.

All that being said I found a few links to other web page information on shooting manual mode - for those that might be interested: Knowledge is empowering

https://digital-photography-school.com/4-tips-help-love-using-manual-mode/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=May-1018
https://digital-photography-school.com/myth-reality-shooting-manual-mode/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=December-2217
https://digital-photography-school.com/super-simple-introduction-shooting-manual-mode-transform-your-photos/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=February-0118
https://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/a-beginners-guide-to-perfect-exposure-in-manual-mode/

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May 24, 2018 09:26:14   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
TriX wrote:
Btw, not sure what you shoot, but many Canons have an AF tracking mode that ignores objects passing between you and the subject - could be a help for you if available on your camera.


I was thinking the same thing. Nikon has it also, at least on some models.

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May 24, 2018 09:33:22   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a few days, and we have learned that "about" 8-out-of-every-10 Hogs set their camera exposure controls manually, I'm just curious (as Chaostrain was originally) as to "why?" The vast majority of Hogs seem to have/use modern cameras that come with a whole lot more Bells-and-Whistles than my trusty Nikon FM did. It sure seems like the vast majority do "some amount" of computer post-processing on their images, so we must admit that they have no fear/distrust of technology. If they/we follow the recommendation of the on-board light meter in setting the camera's controls, then why restrict ourselves to the "stepped" shutter speeds available in our cameras rather than setting the aperture and letting the camera set "what should be" a more accurate stepless shutter speed to get as close as possible to "optimal exposure?"

Digital photography isn't like shooting "unforgiving chromes" was. But every book/article that I have read on the subject still recommends that we get the digital exposure as close as possible to our optimum. And, granted, tweeking expose of images in PP is one of the easiest things one can do in photography today. So I'm sure that there must be a logical reason to shoot "Full Manual." I just was wondering if someone could articulate for me what that/those reason/s might be as opposed to using Aperture Priority where we still set everything ourselves except the proper "stepless" shutter speed that we cannot manually set.
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a f... (show quote)

If you aspire to be smarter than your camera, learn about manual exposure.

If not, join the multitude that here are wondering why their Auto settings often fail.

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May 24, 2018 09:38:28   #
Jamers Loc: Michigan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Let me give a suggestion. Assuming you're familiar with Aperture Priority and Exposure Compensation, start at zero EC at whatever aperture and ISO you desire. Take an image and observe the histogram and the shutterspeed. If you want to "move" the exposure on the histogram to the right (brighter) or left (darker), add the appropriate EC. Take another image and note both the change to the histogram and the shutterspeed. Depending on the camera model, the difference between EC in Aperture Priority is nothing more than the dials and "names" of the dials you're using to adjust the shutterspeed. The same idea applies to Shutter Priority, except EC changes the aperture.

Continuing with the example, assuming your EC adjustment in Aperture Priority is a proper exposure (no blown highlights), take your camera to a situation where the conditions are different. I just came back from a room facing East in sunlight. The first few images were away from the window where the camera decided 1/80 on the shutter was appropriate for the f/5.6 aperture and the +1 EC. When I turned toward the window, the camera responded with a shutterspeed of 1/2000. That's a heck of a lot more efficient than turning the shutter dial in manual while watching the meter in the view finder. If I turned to catch a sudden situation, I'd probably miss the shot fiddling with the camera rather than focusing and shooting.

It's really just a question of preference, need, and maybe, understanding. If you've always shot in manual, you may not feel you need to change. If you feel more comfortable in A or S priority modes, you may be unaware you're really shooting manual with each EC change because of the terms applied to the camera dials.
Let me give a suggestion. Assuming you're familiar... (show quote)


Very nicely stated.

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May 24, 2018 09:39:08   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
selmslie wrote:
If you aspire to be smarter than your camera, learn about manual exposure.

If not, join the multitude that here are wondering why their Auto settings often fail.

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May 24, 2018 09:43:24   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I seem to recall that the first thing I did was set my light meter to the asa given or maybe higher or lower but it was the first thing I did. I did it because it determined how to set up my manual camera. Now if one lets the camera figure out the ISO then the rest INO of the fiddling around is just nonsense.


sippyjug104 wrote:
I followed Steve Perry's tutorial on setting my Nikon in the "Manual" mode with back-button focus and "auto ISO" set to limits that work best for me. This allows me to use the front and rear command wheels to change shutter speed and aperture quickly based on the subject and what I want the image to represent. This is all done while looking through the view finder and not needing to take the camera off the subject or away from my eye as the situation may quickly change.

A big thank you to Steve for being so generous in sharing his experience and deep knowledge of photography!
I followed Steve Perry's tutorial on setting my Ni... (show quote)

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May 24, 2018 09:44:46   #
PatM Loc: Rocky Mount Mo.
 
All,
I am inexperienced and come to this valuable web forum for quality information. I have yet to have any full manual confidence. I urge if you are new to photography or are in the same situation as me and take pictures you are really wanting to keep or are important, use auto first then experiment with manual. At least you will have something useable and if shooting RAW have post processing to fall back on if you are okay with it.

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