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May 18, 2018 18:43:59   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Twardlow wrote:
Yes, I get it. You don’t care about Time magazine. But do you care about Truth? It isn’t the subject of lies, but the number of lies.

Massive lies destroy the idea of truth. That’s what we have now. Trump can say anything, absolutely anything, and no one cares.

There is no truth.

There’s no idea that is true today, that was also true yesterday, or will be true tomorrow. Truth is flexible; truth means nothing. Anything the trusted leader says is truth. Remember 1984?

If there’s no truth, there’s no right or no right or wrong, no way to judge, no standard to hold a king to, or a president to, or a president-for-life to.

If there is no truth, the Constitution is a lie, Laws are lies and manipulations by enemies of the President-for-life, and the President-for-life knows better than the lying constitution; the president is king.

All with your acquiescence.

That is, it’s your fault.

Time to wake up, isn’t it?
Yes, I get it. You don’t care about Time magazine... (show quote)


You're right. There's no truth.

Obama's lackeys were spying on Trump before the election.
Kerry has been overseas undermining current policy.
Meuller indicted a Russian company that didn't exist.
CNN neglects to say Trumps "animals" remark was directed at MS13 crime gang for a full day.

Here in my backyard Warren, Markey and Joe K.#3 are all besmirching Trump because a Dutch lighting company (Phillips) is packing up and taking 150 jobs with them. Last time I checked it was a free country and we operate on free enterprise. The government should not be in the job guarantee business. Does it suck when the company you've worked for packs it in? From personal experience I can say "Gawd yes it sure does"! These 3 stooges are developing the new Dem talking points....free college!, free healthcare, a guaranteed job for everyone if they want to work, better housing. Free free Free! What would Jack Kennedy think of that? "Ask not what your country can do for you!..." Dems have forgotten that. Probably shouldn't even call them Dems. Call them what they are...socialists or worse...communists.

The Boston Globe, Washington Post, and NYT have all come out lately saying Kerry is operating in a treasonous manner. Obama is involved in the spying on Trump. And you schmucks want to talk about Trump on the cover of Time. It was only 11 that lying SOB! Glad you have your priorities in order.

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May 18, 2018 18:59:08   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
hondo812 wrote:
You're right. There's no truth.

Obama's lackeys were spying on Trump before the election.
Kerry has been overseas undermining current policy.
Meuller indicted a Russian company that didn't exist.
CNN neglects to say Trumps "animals" remark was directed at MS13 crime gang for a full day.

Here in my backyard Warren, Markey and Joe K.#3 are all besmirching Trump because a Dutch lighting company (Phillips) is packing up and taking 150 jobs with them. Last time I checked it was a free country and we operate on free enterprise. The government should not be in the job guarantee business. Does it suck when the company you've worked for packs it in? From personal experience I can say "Gawd yes it sure does"! These 3 stooges are developing the new Dem talking points....free college!, free healthcare, a guaranteed job for everyone if they want to work, better housing. Free free Free! What would Jack Kennedy think of that? "Ask not what your country can do for you!..." Dems have forgotten that. Probably shouldn't even call them Dems. Call them what they are...socialists or worse...communists.

The Boston Globe, Washington Post, and NYT have all come out lately saying Kerry is operating in a treasonous manner. Obama is involved in the spying on Trump. And you schmucks want to talk about Trump on the cover of Time. It was only 11 that lying SOB! Glad you have your priorities in order.
You're right. There's no truth. br br Obama's lac... (show quote)


Just wait for the unavailing of the fake Nobels in the Trump locker rooms.

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May 18, 2018 22:15:00   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
hondo812 wrote:
You're right. There's no truth.

Obama's lackeys were spying on Trump before the election.
Kerry has been overseas undermining current policy.
Meuller indicted a Russian company that didn't exist.
CNN neglects to say Trumps "animals" remark was directed at MS13 crime gang for a full day.

Here in my backyard Warren, Markey and Joe K.#3 are all besmirching Trump because a Dutch lighting company (Phillips) is packing up and taking 150 jobs with them. Last time I checked it was a free country and we operate on free enterprise. The government should not be in the job guarantee business. Does it suck when the company you've worked for packs it in? From personal experience I can say "Gawd yes it sure does"! These 3 stooges are developing the new Dem talking points....free college!, free healthcare, a guaranteed job for everyone if they want to work, better housing. Free free Free! What would Jack Kennedy think of that? "Ask not what your country can do for you!..." Dems have forgotten that. Probably shouldn't even call them Dems. Call them what they are...socialists or worse...communists.

The Boston Globe, Washington Post, and NYT have all come out lately saying Kerry is operating in a treasonous manner. Obama is involved in the spying on Trump. And you schmucks want to talk about Trump on the cover of Time. It was only 11 that lying SOB! Glad you have your priorities in order.
You're right. There's no truth. br br Obama's lac... (show quote)


You are so mis-informed (possibly meaning lying) there is no evidence the FBI spied on Trump, I say again, no one has produced Any Evidence, no evidence at all, as in none, not even any evidence at all. If there were a crime happening or suspected, and the FBI became aware of it, what would you have them do? The FBI penetrated Russian cells within the USA when communism was perceived as a threat, and it penetrated the KKK for the same reason, and—absolutely!—the Trump Administration is every bit the danger to the Nation that those two institutions were.

I don’t know that John Kerry has been working in supporting his idea on current policy, perhaps he was, but we still have a constitution, don’t we? Isn’t free speech about policy still legal? Isn’t it possible that he has an informed opinion AND the constitutional right to express that opinion? Shame.

Mueller DID NOT indict a company that dies not exist, Putin’s Caterer, I mean. That company has existed for years, since years already, funding mercenaries among other things, mercenaries that attacked American Troops if you remember, attacked them to the mercenaries own discomfort and their suffering serious casualities. That OK with you?

I have already addressed the ‘animals’ issue, and it’s clear to me that Trump changed the subject from MS 13 to people being stopped at the border—And MS 13 wasn’t crossing the border. The gang known as MS 13 didn’t exist until LONG AFTER said immigrants crossed the international border.

The rest of your post is uninformed balderdash, hostility on a stick, confusion on a bun and dishonesty on the side.

Double shame on you....

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May 19, 2018 08:23:40   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
You are so mis-informed (possibly meaning lying) there is no evidence the FBI spied on Trump, I say again, no one has produced Any Evidence, no evidence at all, as in none, not even any evidence at all. If there were a crime happening or suspected, and the FBI became aware of it, what would you have them do? The FBI penetrated Russian cells within the USA when communism was perceived as a threat, and it penetrated the KKK for the same reason, and—absolutely!—the Trump Administration is every bit the danger to the Nation that those two institutions were.

I don’t know that John Kerry has been working in supporting his idea on current policy, perhaps he was, but we still have a constitution, don’t we? Isn’t free speech about policy still legal? Isn’t it possible that he has an informed opinion AND the constitutional right to express that opinion? Shame.

Mueller DID NOT indict a company that dies not exist, Putin’s Caterer, I mean. That company has existed for years, since years already, funding mercenaries among other things, mercenaries that attacked American Troops if you remember, attacked them to the mercenaries own discomfort and their suffering serious casualities. That OK with you?

I have already addressed the ‘animals’ issue, and it’s clear to me that Trump changed the subject from MS 13 to people being stopped at the border—And MS 13 wasn’t crossing the border. The gang known as MS 13 didn’t exist until LONG AFTER said immigrants crossed the international border.

The rest of your post is uninformed balderdash, hostility on a stick, confusion on a bun and dishonesty on the side.

Double shame on you....
You are so mis-informed (possibly meaning lying) t... (show quote)


Good Morning. Your whole post is Really not accurate. In the past few days document have been revealed that indicate the government put spy’s in the Trump campaign and more information will come out on that. There are strict laws in place that prevent Americans from being spied upon. Let’s see what is revealed in the next few days. It depends on what the government did, and how and why they did it.

As for Kerry, he interferes in Government business, that is a violation of the Logan act and punishable by law, it has nothing to do with free speech. Again, we will have to see what come out about that.

What Muller did was make false charges against some Russians. The Russians showed up for court with lawyers, which was completely unexpected. Muller was ordered by the judge to proceed. Again, another wait and see.

Regarding the gangs, they arrived as gang members under another name. They didn’t arrive here and say, hey, let’s form a gang and begin terrorizing Americans. We brought them in unvetted (thanks obummer) as criminals and they have remained criminals and flourished to invade 46 states. The gang members are animals. Period. Do we need to argue about their name, where they came from, etc? They rape, torture and kill Americans. That should be the issue. These are not people we want in our country. That is the issue. The sanctuary states do not jail them for crimes, they put them back on the streets because the sanctuary states would rather see Americans tortured and killed before the will deport an illegal. That is the issue. As Americans we should care when and if the government is violating the law. That is not a republican or Democrat issue.

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May 19, 2018 08:31:52   #
Nikon Shooter17 Loc: Glenwood, MN
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
The man is a liar and a fraud. That Is not in dispute.


As was Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush again. You are spot on, it is not in dispute. Whats the point? Does my initial response justify Trumps lies? Absolutely not. Is one lie less than another? While I do not count lies of politicians as I do have a life we can go through just a couple:

Obama: "You can keep your doctor".
Bush: "WMD's in Iraq"
Clinton: Bill: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" Hillary: "We landed under sniper fire"
Bush: "Its not about the oil"

While I get the anger Trump causes, I just find it odd that there wasn't the same outrage when the Clintons lied repeatedly. Maybe there was and I missed it. Hush money to a mistress is even more hypocritical if you don't hold Clinton to the same standard Trump is being held to. What did Clinton pay Paula Jones? Trump is a goof and he is a bit embarrassing at times to this country. Whats even more embarrassing is that the best this country had to offer its citizens was a choice between Trump and Clinton. Lose, lose situation.

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May 19, 2018 08:47:15   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Elaine2025 wrote:


Regarding the gangs, they arrived as gang members under another name. They didn’t arrive here and say, hey, let’s form a gang and begin terrorizing Americans. We brought them in unvetted (thanks obummer) as criminals and they have remained criminals and flourished to invade 46 states.


Dear "Elaine,"

Please do explain how Obama let MS-13 into our country.

We will wait patiently for you to research this bit of insanity.


The gang formed in California back in the 80's. If you suck at math too, that was long before Obama had any influence on national policies regarding policing gangs. Immigration policy is not really germane as the gang was started in LA.

We will wait your reply with bated breath, as you are always so knowledgeable and informative and so very rational...

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May 19, 2018 09:42:47   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Good Morning. Your whole post is Really not accurate. In the past few days document have been revealed that indicate the government put spy’s in the Trump campaign and more information will come out on that. There are strict laws in place that prevent Americans from being spied upon. Let’s see what is revealed in the next few days. It depends on what the government did, and how and why they did it.

As for Kerry, he interferes in Government business, that is a violation of the Logan act and punishable by law, it has nothing to do with free speech. Again, we will have to see what come out about that.

What Muller did was make false charges against some Russians. The Russians showed up for court with lawyers, which was completely unexpected. Muller was ordered by the judge to proceed. Again, another wait and see.

Regarding the gangs, they arrived as gang members under another name. They didn’t arrive here and say, hey, let’s form a gang and begin terrorizing Americans. We brought them in unvetted (thanks obummer) as criminals and they have remained criminals and flourished to invade 46 states. The gang members are animals. Period. Do we need to argue about their name, where they came from, etc? They rape, torture and kill Americans. That should be the issue. These are not people we want in our country. That is the issue. The sanctuary states do not jail them for crimes, they put them back on the streets because the sanctuary states would rather see Americans tortured and killed before the will deport an illegal. That is the issue. As Americans we should care when and if the government is violating the law. That is not a republican or Democrat issue.
Good Morning. Your whole post is Really not accura... (show quote)


Don’t know the laws you cite, but we know the FBI penetrated Communist cells and the KKK. Did the laws protect them?

If the FBI suspects a crime has been committed, they can’t investigate???

John Kerry has a constitutional right to free speech and any alleged violation (which you don’t document) pales beside the Trump administrations panicked attempt to sell this nation out to Russia.

You don’t know that Mueller’s charges were false and I am prepared to deny that is so. Do you think the ex-head of the FBI plays with the law? I stand behind his personal integrity 100%. He is a polar opposite to dumpTrump.

Yes, indeed; we need to argue about when they came here, and how, as that is central to your accusation that Obama let in gang members, and that Trump couldn’t possibly have been referring to them crossing the border as gang members; the gang didn’t exist until after they arrived here.

They are animals, but they are home-grown animals, a product of the good ole USA, and Trump’s statement that we stopped them at the borders and turned them back is silly, incorrect, and a demonstration of the stupidity of the man.

Please document you accusation that they are allowed to murder at will with protection of the state. That’s bullshit, and you know it.

“As Americans we should care when and if the government is violating the law. That is not a republican or Democrat issue.”

Glad to see you agree with me on Trump selling us out to Russia. You must be a strong supporter of Robert Mueller, right?

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May 19, 2018 09:54:03   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Nikon Shooter17 wrote:
As was Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush again. You are spot on, it is not in dispute. Whats the point? Does my initial response justify Trumps lies? Absolutely not. Is one lie less than another? While I do not count lies of politicians as I do have a life we can go through just a couple:

Obama: "You can keep your doctor".
Bush: "WMD's in Iraq"
Clinton: Bill: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" Hillary: "We landed under sniper fire"
Bush: "Its not about the oil"

While I get the anger Trump causes, I just find it odd that there wasn't the same outrage when the Clintons lied repeatedly. Maybe there was and I missed it. Hush money to a mistress is even more hypocritical if you don't hold Clinton to the same standard Trump is being held to. What did Clinton pay Paula Jones? Trump is a goof and he is a bit embarrassing at times to this country. Whats even more embarrassing is that the best this country had to offer its citizens was a choice between Trump and Clinton. Lose, lose situation.
As was Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush again. You ar... (show quote)


Certainly you must admit some sense of wonder at Trump and what he has done. There is no longer any sense of Truth in this nation. This is 1984. Trump truth varies from day to day, and if there is no truth, there is no right or wrong, there is no good or bad, there are no demonstrable facts or principles—there is nothing left.

And you accept this and further validate it by accepting four or five statements you call lies, and equating them with 5,000 documented, conflicting, verified and answered lies.

Accepting lies unchallenged is nearly the same as lying yourself.

“Trump is a goof and he is a bit embarrassing at times to this country.” It is statements like this that accept what is going on, allow it to continue, and are extremely dangerous to the Nation.

Truth and Honesty, and competence and sincerity must have defenders; and if you aren’t a defender, then you are an enabler.

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May 19, 2018 10:31:01   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Twardlow wrote:
You are so mis-informed (possibly meaning lying) there is no evidence the FBI spied on Trump, I say again, no one has produced Any Evidence, no evidence at all, as in none, not even any evidence at all. If there were a crime happening or suspected, and the FBI became aware of it, what would you have them do? The FBI penetrated Russian cells within the USA when communism was perceived as a threat, and it penetrated the KKK for the same reason, and—absolutely!—the Trump Administration is every bit the danger to the Nation that those two institutions were.

I don’t know that John Kerry has been working in supporting his idea on current policy, perhaps he was, but we still have a constitution, don’t we? Isn’t free speech about policy still legal? Isn’t it possible that he has an informed opinion AND the constitutional right to express that opinion? Shame.

Mueller DID NOT indict a company that dies not exist, Putin’s Caterer, I mean. That company has existed for years, since years already, funding mercenaries among other things, mercenaries that attacked American Troops if you remember, attacked them to the mercenaries own discomfort and their suffering serious casualities. That OK with you?

I have already addressed the ‘animals’ issue, and it’s clear to me that Trump changed the subject from MS 13 to people being stopped at the border—And MS 13 wasn’t crossing the border. The gang known as MS 13 didn’t exist until LONG AFTER said immigrants crossed the international border.

The rest of your post is uninformed balderdash, hostility on a stick, confusion on a bun and dishonesty on the side.

Double shame on you....
You are so mis-informed (possibly meaning lying) t... (show quote)


Shame on you for being a duplicitous dupe who pretends to not have read stories that don’t support your incorrect dogma and tries to sell his opinion as some sort of fact (it’s not).

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May 19, 2018 10:32:56   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, I can find you a list of 5,000 Trump lies, dated, verified, and answered, if you will google me a list of 100 Obama lies.

Five thousand for one hundred—such a deal!!

But we both know you are too damn lazy to google, and you wouldn’t find such a list anyway. Washington Post said Obama said eight things that could be construed as lies in eight years, one lie (if lie it is) per year.

But accusing Obama soothes you and comforts you and saves you just a little bit from recognizing what Trump is, so you won’t do anything.

Such a deal you pass up!
Well, I can find you a list of 5,000 Trump lies, d... (show quote)


As I said.... we know what you are and we are just discussing price!

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May 19, 2018 10:34:16   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Bazbo wrote:
Why not throw in Rasmussan as well? Fivethirtyeight is a poll aggregator and statistical model. If you want to cherry pick from a couple of right wing outfits, then you are free to do so and believe what you want.



Oh, what a shame! Data that conflicts with bazbo, so he rejects it. How progressively intolerant and narrow of you.

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May 19, 2018 11:34:16   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Oh, what a shame! Data that conflicts with bazbo, so he rejects it. How progressively intolerant and narrow of you.


You hang you hat one one poll that you like (confirmation bias, defined) while rejecting out of hand all the polling data that is in the public record. It seems to me that you are guilty of the behavior of which you accuse me. And of course, the snide just adds some spice and makes you feel like a real man, right?

Your data set is just one poll. My data set is the aggregation of 50-60 polls, continuously updated as more data becomes available. When the 538 model shows an uptick in Trumps approval rating, I don't screech "bullshit" and run away. Nor do I deny the data that I don't like. I note it and move on.

So you hide behind the outlier polls that you like and believe what you want. But I prefer my data-driven outlook to your ideaology (aka "Trump Worship") driven outlook. Any day.

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May 19, 2018 12:57:43   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
dljen wrote:
Yep Hal, what can I say? You chose a real winner...


The Russians love people like Hal. Its not his fault, he has been fed this stuff about Hilary for 30yrs!

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May 19, 2018 12:59:58   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Shame on you for being a duplicitous dupe who pretends to not have read stories that don’t support your incorrect dogma and tries to sell his opinion as some sort of fact (it’s not).


I know you must be sincere, but damned if I know what you are trying to say. This is the most convoluted sentence I have read on this site.

Beyond that, I stand behind everything I wrote in the post you refer to, and if you think I erred, please point out the specific instance.

I know you won’t, but I welcome your efforts, if you make them.

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May 19, 2018 15:32:53   #
Nikon Shooter17 Loc: Glenwood, MN
 
Twardlow wrote:
Certainly you must admit some sense of wonder at Trump and what he has done. There is no longer any sense of Truth in this nation. This is 1984. Trump truth varies from day to day, and if there is no truth, there is no right or wrong, there is no good or bad, there are no demonstrable facts or principles—there is nothing left.

And you accept this and further validate it by accepting four or five statements you call lies, and equating them with 5,000 documented, conflicting, verified and answered lies.

Accepting lies unchallenged is nearly the same as lying yourself.

“Trump is a goof and he is a bit embarrassing at times to this country.” It is statements like this that accept what is going on, allow it to continue, and are extremely dangerous to the Nation.

Truth and Honesty, and competence and sincerity must have defenders; and if you aren’t a defender, then you are an enabler.
Certainly you must admit some sense of wonder at T... (show quote)

Please read my post once again so can stop insulting me for no reason. Yo will then see that I really don't have time to search all politicians truth and lies but I surely could name several more on either side if you wish. How did I accept lies unchallenged exactly? Where? Please be specific not just argumentative. I am simply saying it is odd that some do not hold their side to the same standards as the other. I think I just did by admitting Trump is a liar didn't I? Since you enjoy the search of political lies I suppose you have researched all democratic lies? True? And you simply haven't found any? My statement certainly doesn't accept all his lies. But I can't change the fact that he is our current President. I will wait until next time and vote for some other liar or not at all...because they indeed do all lie. And I will not go back and forth with you again as you did not even address my implied question here: Where was the outrage with the Dems lies? Did they not reach the magic 5,000 that is required. I do not defend Trump. And I certainly to wonder about much of what he has done. As I do many other politicians...he is not unique in the lying department when it comes to politicians. I asked a question and you personally attack. You attack when we actually agree. I believe I know why. Much of what you say makes sense, much is simply to argue. I will lay low for a bit and keep reading responses. Thanks for responding to mine. Just wish the question could have been answered. Maybe another subject...

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