bkyser wrote:
I think you were replying to someone else's post. None of the things you stated, refer to what I said.
Look at the third paragraph in
your post at the start of page 3. You may have forgotten you said it. There was no "line of BS".
geezer7 wrote:
I have recently returned from a Caribbean cruise on which I had an opportunity to attend a couple of photo seminars relating to the use of light. The first addressed portraits and the presenter emphasized portraits in black and white. Contrary to what I believe I have heard, the presenter recommended setting the camera to the monochrome mode instead of converting in post. Does this sound right?
The second seminar addressed the use of the manual mode in the camera. I had several SLRs from 1970 to 2010 which were manual so I am comfortable with the manual mode although I tend to use aperture priority and adjust ISO to suit my needs. The presenter emphasized the flexibility available with manual which I can understand. However he also stated that the use of manual results in richer colors. This I do not understand.
I would appreciate any comments regarding these two issues.
Thanks in advance.
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Manual mode can allow more accurate exposure, IF you know how to meter for the way you wish to render a scene. But richer colors? Whazz he smokin’?
CHG_CANON wrote:
Can you still get a refund?
Rolling on the floor laughing!...
geezer7 wrote:
I have recently returned from a Caribbean cruise on which I had an opportunity to attend a couple of photo seminars relating to the use of light. The first addressed portraits and the presenter emphasized portraits in black and white. Contrary to what I believe I have heard, the presenter recommended setting the camera to the monochrome mode instead of converting in post. Does this sound right?
The second seminar addressed the use of the manual mode in the camera. I had several SLRs from 1970 to 2010 which were manual so I am comfortable with the manual mode although I tend to use aperture priority and adjust ISO to suit my needs. The presenter emphasized the flexibility available with manual which I can understand. However he also stated that the use of manual results in richer colors. This I do not understand.
I would appreciate any comments regarding these two issues.
Thanks in advance.
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I don't think a resume was required for the position! Yes to convert in post, no to manual resulting in richer colors. Don't believe everything you hear, consult expert resources.
bkyser
Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
Keep reading, I also said that it was based on his/her experience with PP and with however he/she shoots. Wasn't disparaging the teacher, what I was saying is that how we work, tempers our opinions. Neither mine, or yours is the only way to do anything.
"but it may be his/her experience as a jpeg shooter, possibly with some monochrome filters, or his/her lack of PP experience, that it was meant to be helpful."
bkyser wrote:
Keep reading, I also said that it was based on his/her experience with PP and with however he/she shoots. Wasn't disparaging the teacher, what I was saying is that how we work, tempers our opinions. Neither mine, or yours is the only way to do anything.
"but it may be his/her experience as a jpeg shooter, possibly with some monochrome filters, or his/her lack of PP experience, that it was meant to be helpful."
If you are saying that "his/her" means geezer7 rather than the teacher, you did not make that clear in your original paragraph and it's still not clear.
By starting the thread he (geezer7) already showed that he knew enough to question what he was hearing.
But then, we were not there. All we have to go on is hearsay.
Semantics time at the old forum!
I reserve the term BS for intentional lying- when a person intentionally or maliciously makes disingenuous statements for whatever reason. When a person makes statements that are inaccurate based in misapprehensions or lack of understanding, he or she is not a liar, just someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
There are various kinds of liars. Glib lairs are good at it and very convincing- perhaps you can call them a BS artists. Chronic liars do it all the time and pathological lairs don't know the difference between falsehood and truth.
It is difficult and perhaps a bit silly to quantify, authenticate, debunk, evaluate or agree with the statements of a seminar presenter when not attending the class in person and hearing exactly what was said. Sometimes the omission or addition of one word or phrase can change the entire meaning of a statement.
Oh, I hate it when a thread about photography turns into a admonishing English lesson or what sounds like a courtroom cross examination of a hostile witness by an angry prosecutor.
I hate it almost as much as when sliding down a banister, the railing turns into a razor blade- OUCH!
Come on folks- get a sense of humor and be nice to each other.
bkyser
Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
selmslie wrote:
If you are saying that "his/her" means geezer7 rather than the teacher, you did not make that clear in your original paragraph and it's still not clear.
By starting the thread he (geezer7) already showed that he knew enough to question what he was hearing.
But then, we were not there. All we have to go on is hearsay.
Basically, what I'm saying is that because of the way I shoot/work, what Geezer said the teacher was teaching was BS, but for the teacher, it may have made perfect sense for his/her experience. I have no commentary on what Geezer7 knows, or doesn't know. I also don't know about the teacher's experience or qualifications. What I do know is that I've taken classes and seminars for over 30 years, and there are many MANY teachers that had no business teaching. I can't tell by the question if the teacher in this case was full of it, or just had a different opinion.
It's the same here on UHH. There are many ways to do the same thing. Some get so wrapped up in "our way, being the only way" we forget that other things may work for others.
bkyser
Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Semantics time at the old forum!
I reserve the term BS for intentional lying- when a person intentionally or maliciously makes disingenuous statements for whatever reason. When a person makes statements that are inaccurate based in misapprehensions or lack of understanding, he or she is not a liar, just someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
There are various kinds of liars. Glib lairs are good at it and very convincing- perhaps you can call them a BS artists. Chronic liars do it all the time and pathological lairs don't know the difference between falsehood and truth.
It is difficult and perhaps a bit silly to quantify, authenticate, debunk, evaluate or agree with the statements of a seminar presenter when not attending the class in person and hearing exactly what was said. Sometimes the omission or addition of one word or phrase can change the entire meaning of a statement.
Oh, I hate it when a thread about photography turns into a admonishing English lesson or what sounds like a courtroom cross examination of a hostile witness by an angry prosecutor.
I hate it almost as much as when sliding down a banister, the railing turns into a razor blade- OUCH!
Come on folks- get a sense of humor and be nice to each other.
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Yes, Semantics. By BS, I didn't mean intentional LIE, I meant bad information that "stinks." I then go on to say that we all do things differently, and maybe what the teacher was teaching works for how he/she shoots and does PP.
wesm
Loc: Los Altos CA
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
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Some concepts can not be fully explained in quick tips. That's why I write long verbose posts. I was so busy learning photography that I did poorly in English class and totally neglected typing class so excuse the bad grammar and typos.
No worries. I appreciate your efforts. Consider yourself excused :D
bkyser wrote:
... what Geezer said the teacher was teaching was BS, but for the teacher ....
In fact, he did not say it was BS. Geezer7 just asked for clarification on what he
thought he heard.
The only questionable statement was that, "... he also stated that the use of manual results in richer colors." I doubt that this was precisely what the teacher was trying to convey. Several of us commented that a manual or automatic exposure could easily result in the same combination of ISO, aperture and shutter speed. Since the teacher was promoting the use of manual exposure, it's pretty clear that he was referring to
informed use of manual exposure.
So far as richer colors are concerned, I already covered that question
here.
Jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information is always risky. That's why I suggested, "I would cut the teacher some slack."
Why Mr Shapiro. I believe that’s your shortest post ever.
bkyser
Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
selmslie wrote:
In fact, he did not say it was BS. Geezer7 just asked for clarification on what he
thought he heard.
The only questionable statement was that, "... he also stated that the use of manual results in richer colors." I doubt that this was precisely what the teacher was trying to convey. Several of us commented that a manual or automatic exposure could easily result in the same combination of ISO, aperture and shutter speed. Since the teacher was promoting the use of manual exposure, it's pretty clear that he was referring to
informed use of manual exposure.
So far as richer colors are concerned, I already covered that question
here.
Jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information is always risky. That's why I suggested, "I would cut the teacher some slack."
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Well, not sure how "in my opinion, it's BS" and then going on to explain that we have different styles, experiences, and that the teacher probably was only giving info based on his/her style and experience, did anything but agree with you about giving the teacher some slack, but obviously, you just want to find something to bicker about, so go ahead.
My wording may not have been correct, but I clearly explained that I didn't "blame" the teacher, just saying that in my opinion, what he was teaching was incorrect (or BS... as mentioned in the semantics post)
So, go ahead and pick this one apart, and I'll just let you have the last word. Those that know me from years of being on UHH, and those from the wedding section know that I don't attack people personally, maybe ideas, but not people.
So, dispute me again, and enjoy yourself. Unwatching.
bkyser wrote:
Well, not sure how "in my opinion, it's BS" and then going on to explain that we have different styles, experiences, and that the teacher probably was only giving info based on his/her style and experience, did anything but agree with you about giving the teacher some slack, but obviously, you just want to find something to bicker about, so go ahead.
My wording may not have been correct, but I clearly explained that I didn't "blame" the teacher, just saying that in my opinion, what he was teaching was incorrect (or BS... as mentioned in the semantics post)
So, go ahead and pick this one apart, and I'll just let you have the last word. Those that know me from years of being on UHH, and those from the wedding section know that I don't attack people personally, maybe ideas, but not people.
So, dispute me again, and enjoy yourself. Unwatching.
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Your statement that, "... you are correct in the fact that the teacher was feeding you a line of BS ..." was very clear.
Nobody else said that. You can't un-say it and you can't explain it away.
We are all glad that you will not keep trying to dig yourself out.
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