selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Look at the third paragraph in your post at the start of page 3. You may have forgotten you said it. There was no "line of BS".

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Manual mode can allow more accurate exposure, IF you know how to meter for the way you wish to render a scene. But richer colors? Whazz he smokin’?

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Rolling on the floor laughing!...

via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP

I don't think a resume was required for the position! Yes to convert in post, no to manual resulting in richer colors. Don't believe everything you hear, consult expert resources.

bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana

Keep reading, I also said that it was based on his/her experience with PP and with however he/she shoots. Wasn't disparaging the teacher, what I was saying is that how we work, tempers our opinions. Neither mine, or yours is the only way to do anything.

"but it may be his/her experience as a jpeg shooter, possibly with some monochrome filters, or his/her lack of PP experience, that it was meant to be helpful."

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

If you are saying that "his/her" means geezer7 rather than the teacher, you did not make that clear in your original paragraph and it's still not clear.

By starting the thread he (geezer7) already showed that he knew enough to question what he was hearing.

But then, we were not there. All we have to go on is hearsay.

E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Semantics time at the old forum!

I reserve the term BS for intentional lying- when a person intentionally or maliciously makes disingenuous statements for whatever reason. When a person makes statements that are inaccurate based in misapprehensions or lack of understanding, he or she is not a liar, just someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

There are various kinds of liars. Glib lairs are good at it and very convincing- perhaps you can call them a BS artists. Chronic liars do it all the time and pathological lairs don't know the difference between falsehood and truth.

It is difficult and perhaps a bit silly to quantify, authenticate, debunk, evaluate or agree with the statements of a seminar presenter when not attending the class in person and hearing exactly what was said. Sometimes the omission or addition of one word or phrase can change the entire meaning of a statement.

Oh, I hate it when a thread about photography turns into a admonishing English lesson or what sounds like a courtroom cross examination of a hostile witness by an angry prosecutor.
I hate it almost as much as when sliding down a banister, the railing turns into a razor blade- OUCH!

Come on folks- get a sense of humor and be nice to each other.

bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana

Basically, what I'm saying is that because of the way I shoot/work, what Geezer said the teacher was teaching was BS, but for the teacher, it may have made perfect sense for his/her experience. I have no commentary on what Geezer7 knows, or doesn't know. I also don't know about the teacher's experience or qualifications. What I do know is that I've taken classes and seminars for over 30 years, and there are many MANY teachers that had no business teaching. I can't tell by the question if the teacher in this case was full of it, or just had a different opinion.

It's the same here on UHH. There are many ways to do the same thing. Some get so wrapped up in "our way, being the only way" we forget that other things may work for others.

bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana

Yes, Semantics. By BS, I didn't mean intentional LIE, I meant bad information that "stinks." I then go on to say that we all do things differently, and maybe what the teacher was teaching works for how he/she shoots and does PP.

wesm Loc: Los Altos CA

No worries. I appreciate your efforts. Consider yourself excused :D

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

In fact, he did not say it was BS. Geezer7 just asked for clarification on what he thought he heard.

The only questionable statement was that, "... he also stated that the use of manual results in richer colors." I doubt that this was precisely what the teacher was trying to convey. Several of us commented that a manual or automatic exposure could easily result in the same combination of ISO, aperture and shutter speed. Since the teacher was promoting the use of manual exposure, it's pretty clear that he was referring to informed use of manual exposure.

So far as richer colors are concerned, I already covered that question here.

Jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information is always risky. That's why I suggested, "I would cut the teacher some slack."

E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field

Why Mr Shapiro. I believe that’s your shortest post ever.

bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana

Well, not sure how "in my opinion, it's BS" and then going on to explain that we have different styles, experiences, and that the teacher probably was only giving info based on his/her style and experience, did anything but agree with you about giving the teacher some slack, but obviously, you just want to find something to bicker about, so go ahead.

My wording may not have been correct, but I clearly explained that I didn't "blame" the teacher, just saying that in my opinion, what he was teaching was incorrect (or BS... as mentioned in the semantics post)

So, go ahead and pick this one apart, and I'll just let you have the last word. Those that know me from years of being on UHH, and those from the wedding section know that I don't attack people personally, maybe ideas, but not people.

So, dispute me again, and enjoy yourself. Unwatching.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Your statement that, "... you are correct in the fact that the teacher was feeding you a line of BS ..." was very clear.

Nobody else said that. You can't un-say it and you can't explain it away.

We are all glad that you will not keep trying to dig yourself out.