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May 13, 2018 18:28:13   #
dougbev3 Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
 
I have a Nikon D600 and a D800... I use the cord to download.... JPEGS are zippty do da,,, fast , quick.... RAW takes time.... If a card reader is faster, I will try that....

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May 13, 2018 19:01:27   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I've been on both sides of the competition thing. For me a winning photo is a "complete" photo. Other than "Open Mind" or "Creative" or "Anything Goes" classes of competition, where abstract, conceptual or contemplative type images are submitted - a complete photo means that all aspects of the image - the camera related stuff - composition, focus, aperture, shutter speed, depth of field - are all handled properly, and then the post processing is similarly handled in such a way as to not distract from the image, and lastly, where appropriate in an image - the story. A strong image often has a story, even if it fails the so-called rules of composition. A high-key image on first impression to the uninitiated may appear overexposed, a blurry image of a Cheetah chasing an Impala at 60 mph where the story is clear - but focus, blur, noise etc which would be verboten in a picture of a building are totally appropriate in such an image - all of these break one or more of the long-held standards of image quality.

Just because someone has expertise in manipulating an image doesn't automatically make him/her an amazing photographer that will prevail in competitions. And the converse is true - just because you took the image with a cellphone or point and shoot camera doesn't make the image appear weak, amateurish or otherwise without merit.

When I judge, I can rarely tell what camera took the picture, or whether it started life as a jpeg out of the camera or it was processed from raw - nor does it matter to me. But I can spot an overprocessed image - take a look at any of Ken Rockwell's images - he maxes out all of his camera settings to create images that generate pain to my eyes and artistic sensibilities. If you want an example of overcooked jpegs that involve some post processing - then look no further than Trey Radcliff's work - he does what KR does but with a lot of exposure stacking - HDR. Or check out Captain Kimo in Florida - looking at their work gives me a headache. You don't need to start with a raw file to come up with "startling" (not in a good sense) images.

On the other hand, if you have a good artistic sense, even if you have horrible computer skills, you can use image editing software creatively to make your images into whatever you want - anything from a simple yet carefully lit portrait (little to no post processing) to something grand and spectacular that a viewer may find memorable, or better yet, appropriate enough to order a print to hang on their wall - and everything in between.

Being a computer geek is never a prerequisite to making good photography. But knowing your way around some image editing programs lets you more fully exploit the potential in your camera and in your creativity. You don't need to be very creative to use a camera as a visual recorder of life. But rarely are "real" images very interesting, except for really good reportage and some street photography. The images that are captivating are usually those where the photographer controls the entire process, from pre-visualization to final output and clearly takes a few risks to make the image different and personal.

I can't tell you how many images taken with cellphones have scored highly in competitions.
I've been on both sides of the competition thing. ... (show quote)


Two of my best photos from an Iceland trip were taken with my iPhone

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May 13, 2018 19:26:02   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
wesm wrote:
Two of my best photos from an Iceland trip were taken with my iPhone


That is believable; but what is the point?

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May 13, 2018 19:42:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bill_de wrote:
Since this is page 8, obviously folks like discussing the subject. If that was not the case, nobody would have replied. At this point, saying "do a search" sounds like a grumpy old bastard on UHH just wishing to be heard.

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Happy to be a grumpy old bahstid.

Raw vs. JPEG is like a religious or political argument— awkward in a public forum. There are a zillion pages and videos on both sides of it. 80% are a waste of time. 15% are somewhat useful. 5% are great advice.

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May 13, 2018 19:45:36   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dougbev3 wrote:
I have a Nikon D600 and a D800... I use the cord to download.... JPEGS are zippty do da,,, fast , quick.... RAW takes time.... If a card reader is faster, I will try that....


Buy the fastest cards recommended in your manual, and use a USB3 reader. It’s much faster than USB2.

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May 13, 2018 19:51:53   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
Buy the fastest cards recommended in your manual, and use a USB3 reader. It’s much faster than USB2.


Not if it's plugged into a USB1 or 2 port.

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May 13, 2018 19:53:54   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
Bill_de wrote:
Since this is page 8, obviously folks like discussing the subject. If that was not the case, nobody would have replied. At this point, saying "do a search" sounds like a grumpy old bastard on UHH just wishing to be heard.

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Yeah just move on to another subject.😅😆😀

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May 13, 2018 20:21:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
Not if it's plugged into a USB1 or 2 port.


Good point, you need an iMac or higher end PC made in the last six years...

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May 13, 2018 20:30:28   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
Good point, you need an iMac or higher end PC made in the last six years...


Yes. My laptop is six years old and has USB3 ports. My wife's laptop is older and has USB2 ports.

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May 13, 2018 20:53:59   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I shoot RAW, if I had shot JPG and my photography instructor found out. you fail the course...
JPG the camera processes the pictures as it wants. RAW I process the pics as I want.

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May 13, 2018 21:00:03   #
srt101fan
 
bdk wrote:
I shoot RAW, if I had shot JPG and my photography instructor found out. you fail the course...
JPG the camera processes the pictures as it wants. RAW I process the pics as I want.


But you do have some say on how the JPEGS are processed, via Picture Control settings.

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May 13, 2018 21:17:24   #
chipwilder
 
I shoot RAW 99.9% of the time as it provides the greatest opportunity to provide high quality images. I actually enjoy the Post Processing and consider it the digital equivalent of the darkroom phase of the photography process.

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May 13, 2018 22:13:18   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
That is believable; but what is the point?


I was responding to the last line of Gene’s post

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May 13, 2018 22:45:06   #
dougbev3 Loc: Pueblo, Colorado
 
I understand, RAW is the way to go. No question about it... What I question about RAW is.... You have taken a photo,,, now you take it into another program, where you can make this light look like another light, change colors to suit yourself, but in the end, it was not what you saw in the first place.... I worked with a person who won many awards with his photos, but from what was taken to what was on display was two different pictures. I stay away from that. I like what I see and try to take that picture...

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May 14, 2018 00:16:11   #
Bharrell Loc: San Leandro Ca.
 
I also have been shooting RAW, after a few years with only JPEG. I am new to Lightroom, and discovered that I have more editing options (white balance, etc.)
with RAW files.

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