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Apr 8, 2018 06:43:39   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
mjgoulet wrote:
I'm a rookie so what's EVF and OVF?


EVF is Electronic View Finder and OVF is Optical View Finder. The former is a miniature TV screen and the later is a system of mirror and prism (usually) that directs the image from the lens to your eye. As of now the OVF still has preference in professional equipment. But the EVF has made great strides to reduce the lag time of the image (Smear etc.) as you pan or move the lens around. It will be catching up soon I am sure and become viable professionally.

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Apr 8, 2018 06:45:45   #
mjgoulet
 
repleo wrote:
I didn't switch from DSLR to Mirrorless. When I got my A6000 I was coming from a P&S. As I was considering my step up, I was turned onto Mirrorless by a very experienced photographer who was switching himself. I handled them all - ML and DSLR's - at my local big box store and kept coming back to the Sony.

For me the overwhelming benefit of ML over DSLR is being able to do everything through the viewfinder without having to chimp. For me, chimping to the LCD would involve putting my reading glasses on. On and off, on and off, on and off all day long would really be a fun killer. I like being able to read the histogram in the viewfinder before I take the shot. I like seeing the image in the viewfinder adjust with exposure compensation, or checking the highlight zebras or the focus peaking in the viewfinder before the shot and I like reviewing the taken image in the VF without having to chimp. I also like being able to pull up the quick menu and adjust all of my settings in the VF with my thumb without having to put my glasses on.

If you have a DSLR set-up that you love and are used to and don't mind popping your glasses on and off, why change.

For me, Mirrorless means glasses-less.
I didn't switch from DSLR to Mirrorless. When I g... (show quote)

Do you wear glasses to see far or close??

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Apr 8, 2018 06:47:43   #
BuckeyeBilly Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
 
tdekany wrote:
Seriously? Have you not seen any photography related news in the last few years?,


I'm just asking, not accusing. Who else besides Sony and Leica have a FF mirrorless on the market to buy this very day?

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Apr 8, 2018 06:55:14   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
I’m so intrenched with Nikon I was seriously hoping for a ML from Nikon but Sony was there

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Apr 8, 2018 07:21:15   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Here’€™s my “fantasy land”...


APS-C comparison...Fuji only makes APSC and Medium.

However note the Fuji lacks a grip which can be added but that bulks it up a bit. All the weight will be in the glass especially for 300+, wide aperture <f/2.8 and superzooms, so the weight and size advantages of the bodies are insignificant with larger lenses whatever the sensor size (perhaps M43 Olympus/Panasonic might have an advantage there.) Weight and size would not be a selling point for me for ML, but rather "look ma no mirror" - less noise & vibration (especially), faster recovery between shots, faster fps for action shots, faster in camera focus stacking, instant exposure preview and other niceties along those lines. I like reasonable heft in the body with a nice grip (or grips for vertical), ML or DSLR.

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Apr 8, 2018 07:30:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
With the increasing popularity of FF ML (mirrorless) and accompanying increase in size, it seems that the weight advantage of the ML vs the traditional DSLR is rapidly disappearing. Without less weight and compact size advantages, what are the compelling reasons to switch from DSLR to ML?


I've never seen weight as a real concern with DSLRs. That's what I'm used to carrying - a D750 with probably a 28-300mm lens. If I have to bring a compact camera, then I bring a compact, but weight is never a concern. Really, there isn't much difference, especially with a longer lens on a compact.

My D750 weighs 1 lb 7 oz, while my Sony A6000 weighs 1 lb 1/2 oz. A difference of 5 1/2 ounces (without lenses) is nothing.

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Apr 8, 2018 07:52:25   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
jdub82 wrote:
That seems to be the point of the OP's post. Research...he is asking for UHH Mirrorless users to share their thoughts and experiences.


There’s well over 1000 pages of posts on this site (by using the search feature) and if they were to simply use a google search they’d find 10x that amount of articles written.

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Apr 8, 2018 08:23:03   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
Looking at the quality of images and the low light high iso from Sony A9 and so many of the other innovations it brings to the table Canon & Nikon need to sit up and take notice!
I’ve seen where the A9 is a Nikon & Canon killer, where Nikon & Canon have a huge advantage is in the glass side of things but I can tell you, the Zeiss and the G and GM lenses are every bit as sharp as my Nikkors so I’m thinking that there isn’t the “big two” any more but rather the “big three”!
Soooo when I’m shooting a concert a play something that has a quiet audience and I’m no longer “CLUNKING” every shot with my D5, I’m totally silent with my A9 and I’m not disturbing the audience.

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Apr 8, 2018 08:23:07   #
mrtaxi Loc: Old Westbury NY, Fort Lauderdale, FL
 
If one is comparing weight FF mirrorless vs Ff DSLR the FF mirrorless is significantly less however this comparison is meaningless without real life comparisons with lenses. The glass is about the same weight and is often longer for FF mirrorless than the same type for a FF DSLR. Therefore weight and size differences are not relevant because with their lenses on you will find them to be too close in both weight and size. Compare a 5d mark iv with canon EF 24-70 f/2.8 L II to the Sony’s top of the line FF with their 24-70 f/2.8. The Sony glass is 22 mm longer than Canon and 81 g heavier than canons. Therefore the Sony kit is actually the same size and just a tad heavier in weight. Shocking! The canon L glass is rated higher and is better. The weather sealing and durability on the canon is better. The Sony has other advantages in resolution, and slight performance advantages. But until canon glass works as good on a Sony as it does on a canon I will wait. I am too vested in canon L glass.

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Apr 8, 2018 08:27:48   #
throughrhettseyes Loc: Rowlett, TX
 
If I want a mirrorless I would by a high end video camera. You can take high resolution videos and still take stills or capture stills from the video. Mirrorless like Sony is just another piece of electronics not a triditional SLR. Triditional and the art of photography are what it's all about. But who am I to say anything. I still shoot film from time to time.

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Apr 8, 2018 08:40:15   #
Albert2000
 
I have a Fujifilm XT-20. It's body is much smaller and lighter than a comparable DSLR. The silent shutter feature is helpful when you must reduce noise. The electronic viewfinder is great. Low light performance, especially at its price point, is wonderful. Yes if you need to use a loooong zoom lens the weight of the lens and the associated camera balance becomes an issue. If you use a "kit" zoom lens and / or a wide angle lens - there is no comparison for the serious amateur photographer who does not want to lug lots of heavy gear. These cameras can be little gems.

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Apr 8, 2018 08:50:30   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Yes, a camera with a heavy lens is heavy. And it will be heavy and pitch forward. But it has always been our choice of what lens we put on the camera.
If you are a pro you need certain lens for a project. I carry mirrorless camera's everywhere. Mostly my a6300 with 16 70 zeiss lens. A good rig. Their are lighter alternatives. My first release Sony 70 200 f4 is very light for a big lens. Shot a whole afternoon of kids soccer with this lens and my Sony a7s II great camera
with most weight built strong. I was reading the other day about a documentary style photographers will tell you their is a big difference with a low profile smaller rig.
With my RX100 IV I can shoot anywhere. I won't do rude stuff like shoot girls in bikini's or others peoples children. Can't do that anymore. But a volleyball game
on the beach in slow motion or interesting character maybe. The 16 70 zeiss apc s is not big but handle almost any situation. If it was a 1.2 it would probably be big.
My full frame a7s II is terrific. I use it when I want to get cinema style video and great images with more fiddling.
Camcorders like the Sony XDCam PWXW 70 is a pro camera but quite small. It can do anything and put out pro footage. New shooters like these.
I will shoot 3 days of running festival next week mostly with this camera. It is the tool you need and our choice to pick what we want to shoot and equipment.

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Apr 8, 2018 09:00:06   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Jeffcs wrote:
My D5 is heavy my A9 not so heavy
Lens for lens weight and size about the same
D5 noisy A9 quiet
A9 in body stabilization not in D5
Speed A9 nearly twice as fast
A9 no vibrations no moving parts
CAF A9 98% coverage D5 50% coverage
D5 $6500 A9 $4000
I am using my A9 more often as my work tools
My OMDem1mk2 smaller lighter it’s the only camera I vacation with, all my camera club art work is Olympus, all fun is Olympus and the images well you can’t tell they are produced by micro 4/3
My D5 is heavy my A9 not so heavy br Lens for len... (show quote)


Jeff, Thank you. This level of detail helps me. Appreciate it.

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Apr 8, 2018 09:02:20   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
Yes, a camera with a heavy lens is heavy. And it will be heavy and pitch forward. But it has always been our choice of what lens we put on the camera.
If you are a pro you need certain lens for a project. I carry mirrorless camera's everywhere. Mostly my a6300 with 16 70 zeiss lens. A good rig. Their are lighter alternatives. My first release Sony 70 200 f4 is very light for a big lens. Shot a whole afternoon of kids soccer with this lens and my Sony a7s II great camera
with most weight built strong. I was reading the other day about a documentary style photographers will tell you their is a big difference with a low profile smaller rig.
With my RX100 IV I can shoot anywhere. I won't do rude stuff like shoot girls in bikini's or others peoples children. Can't do that anymore. But a volleyball game
on the beach in slow motion or interesting character maybe. The 16 70 zeiss apc s is not big but handle almost any situation. If it was a 1.2 it would probably be big.
My full frame a7s II is terrific. I use it when I want to get cinema style video and great images with more fiddling.
Camcorders like the Sony XDCam PWXW 70 is a pro camera but quite small. It can do anything and put out pro footage. New shooters like these.
I will shoot 3 days of running festival next week mostly with this camera. It is the tool you need and our choice to pick what we want to shoot and equipment.
Yes, a camera with a heavy lens is heavy. And it w... (show quote)


Tom, sorry about the name mix up.

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Apr 8, 2018 09:22:07   #
gwilliams6
 
I used big-body pro SLRs and DSLRs for 40 years,yes 40 and then switched to Sony mirrorless full-frame back in January 2017. Yes there is a marked weight advantage in the Sony mirrorless bodies, due to no need for that bulky mirrorbox and mechanism . On the lens side, there are some really excellent compact mirrorless lenses that do weigh less than their DSLR equivalents . But there at also some heavier mirrorless lens that are about the same weight as DSLR lenses. The real lens weight savings with mirrorless lenses seems to be in the normal to wide angle focal lengths. As you go up the telephoto ranges there is less a weight advantage .

Ultimately there is a definite weight savings system-wide in my Sony mirrorless gear now vs my Canon DSLR system . Trust me, my old back knows and appreciates the weight difference after an eight hour shoot or when trekking through the mountains with my gear.

Some mirrorless camera makers like Fuji are using bigger and heavier bodies than the more compact Sony bodies. Those camera bodies have less weight advantage over traditional DSLRs. Expect Canon and Nikon to keep their big bodies when they release their full-frame mirrorless systems. They will do that so their lens owners can still use their current Nikon and Canon lens on their new full-frame mirrorless systems, and keep these folks from switching to another system. Those bodies wont be that much lighter than their current DSLR bodies.

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