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Apr 5, 2018 20:58:05   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
TheDman wrote:
This one is a 3-shot focus stack, ISO 100 on the mountains and lake and I think 800 or 1000 on the flowers, each different exposures, apertures, etc. Just make sure when you're piecing them together that the edges blend.


That sounds like a great technique. Worth remembering under the right conditions.
Thanks

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Apr 5, 2018 21:16:29   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
photodoc16 wrote:
Hello again,Technohogs,
I have been reading and watching a lot of videos on landscape photo stacking. A problem (for me, anyways) is that the issue of proper exposure for each image in the stack is not discussed to my satisfaction. Some seem to suggest a tweak in the exposure depending on what area you are focusing on. Does that mean that each focusing area should have an optimized exposure and, if so, are you depending on your visualized interpretation in live view? You cannot start taking images to check exposure during your stacking process. Or, are folks saying you should be in evaluative metering mode for the whole scene for all exposures regardless of the dynamic range of the scene? Or - should one start by setting up your scene and then, before stacking, establish the proper exposure for each area that you will be focusing on?

I know that you eventually make corrections by using layer masks but shouldn't at least one image have the proper exposure for each focus area?
Thanks to all who jump into this one,
Photodoc16
Hello again,Technohogs, br I have been reading and... (show quote)

Manual mode. Do not change the exposure on a simple landscape stack.

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Apr 6, 2018 07:22:58   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Why would anybody change the aperture with images taken for stacking—absolutely not. You want everything to be as even as possible before aligning the different focal length images. The result should be perfect focus front to rear or use a tilt and shift lens.

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Apr 6, 2018 07:40:48   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Lovely work.

I have not tried focus stacking to date. I have a silly question regarding this procedure? If one takes ten shots with each being, lets say 20 mbps, is final stacked photo, 200 mbps?

Harold

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Apr 6, 2018 08:31:23   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
Why would anybody change the aperture with images taken for stacking—absolutely not.


Because you want to stop motion and need a higher shutter speed. You're stacking for focus anyway, not exposure, so each different frame is already going to have different parts of the scene out of focus by definition.

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Apr 6, 2018 08:32:07   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Feiertag wrote:
Lovely work.

I have not tried focus stacking to date. I have a silly question regarding this procedure? If one takes ten shots with each being, lets say 20 mbps, is final stacked photo, 200 mbps?

Harold


No, it will be the same pixel dimensions as one single frame. You're just using different parts of each image to form a single image.

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Apr 6, 2018 08:33:38   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
TheDman wrote:
No, it will be the same pixel dimensions as one single frame. You're just using different parts of each image to form a single image.
Thank you for the comment.

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Apr 6, 2018 08:40:17   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Feiertag wrote:
Lovely work.

I have not tried focus stacking to date. I have a silly question regarding this procedure? If one takes ten shots with each being, lets say 20 mbps, is final stacked photo, 200 mbps?

Harold


No. The original photo size is preserved. I shoot jewelry. With macro work 1/16 of an inch in focal length makes a big difference. I shoot 10 images focusing on the stone to the rear of the shank. The software masks out everything that is out of focus with each image on a layer. Then you combine the parts of the image in focus for a total image in perfect focus-front to rear.

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Apr 6, 2018 10:24:17   #
photodoc16
 
Brent,
Agreed - misses the whole point of focus stacking. Never suggested changing f stop. Most likely a SS issue with or without ISO adjustment. I guess the point is to have all images at a similar exposure but in a high dynamic range situation might not this be a problem? Better to use stacking in a low contrast situation usually without much or any sky.
Thanks,
Photodoc16

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Apr 6, 2018 11:14:37   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
photodoc16 wrote:
Brent,
Agreed - misses the whole point of focus stacking. Never suggested changing f stop. Most likely a SS issue with or without ISO adjustment. I guess the point is to have all images at a similar exposure but in a high dynamic range situation might not this be a problem? Better to use stacking in a low contrast situation usually without much or any sky.
Thanks,
Photodoc16


You can do both at the same time - focus and exposure blend. Why not take the best exposure of whatever you're focusing on?

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Apr 6, 2018 11:20:55   #
photodoc16
 
Dman,
Yes, why not both. In high dynamic range situations just do HDR's and focus stacking together - same # of HDR's as Focus points.
Some here are using it and it might be more work than I anticipate but if the scene is that good, why not?
Thanks,
Photodoc16

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Apr 6, 2018 11:59:59   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Learn how to use hyperfocal distance. It's your friend.

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Apr 6, 2018 13:01:07   #
photodoc16
 
GVarner,
Good point. However, given the interest in focus stacking there must be a problem with it. I have been relatively happy with the field of view with hyperfocal point guidance. My feeling has been that the sharp focus I have seen front to back with stacking is more impressive than I usually see with hyperfocal use or any other kind of focusing (1/3rd up from the bottom, etc.) So...I will give it a shot and see for myself. Have you tried it?
Thanks,
Photodoc16

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Apr 6, 2018 13:46:09   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
gvarner wrote:
Learn how to use hyperfocal distance. It's your friend.


That provides "acceptably sharp" DOF, but acceptable isn't acceptable to me. I want perfect, especially when printing large.

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Apr 6, 2018 15:50:42   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
Feiertag wrote:
Lovely work.

I have not tried focus stacking to date. I have a silly question regarding this procedure? If one takes ten shots with each being, lets say 20 mbps, is final stacked photo, 200 mbps?

Harold


No, at least with Zerene. The final file size will be the same whether you stack two images or 200 images. It will vary tho with the size of the individual images, the larger the pixel size the larger the final image.

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