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Apr 1, 2018 08:44:05   #
iactxh
 
I don’t see “full frame” in your specification. You might think about Fuji X T1 or X T2, the former used, the latter new. The 18-55 “kit” lens is anything but, and although not quite fast enough in itself, would be useful if you bumped up the ISO. The 35 mm (c. 50 mm) f2 lens is excellent in low light situations and renders beautiful images. B & H offers good copies of XF lenses and you can probably buy a yet faster lens, if you wanted.

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Apr 1, 2018 08:55:43   #
Albert2000
 
The Fujifilm XT-20 has a very quiet electronic shutter mode. At its price point it cannot be beaten. The lens selection is excellent. Check out some of the Omar Gonzales tutorial videos on YouTube.

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Apr 1, 2018 09:20:53   #
Naptown Gaijin
 
I was at a shop on Friday and the salesman held a SOny A 7 RIII about 2 inches fromy ear and took 3 photos. I couldn't even hear the shutter, because it was in the "quiet mode". It was incredible.

As a SAG-AFTRA member, I would be surprised if the producer allowed you to film a scene while the main cameras are rolling, due to legal issues..... and nobody but the producer normally would have the authority to allow you to film on set while they are shooting.

Break a leg...
N.G

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Apr 1, 2018 09:42:11   #
gwilliams6
 
chasgroh wrote:
...I might have an opportunity to shoot on a movie production location, could be inside/outside/who knows. Well, this has got me thinking that I need to be quiet (meaning the shutter) and unobtrusive (meaning me...I'll wear camouflage, haha). I've got great, albeit noisy, equipment that would be fine in any condition...other than the "noisy" part. So how about mirrorless? I'm not up for an A9, but would spring for 2.5k in gear...body and 2 lenses. Low light is the determiner, as I need to at least be able to function there somewhat. I'm liking what I'm reading for the Panasonics and Oly's...but who out there has *real* experience in eclectic conditions with mirrorless? Please, just folks who have the chops...I'm saturated reading stuff.
...I might have an opportunity to shoot on a movie... (show quote)


When is your shoot? The Sony A7III is out in the US on April 10, already out to the rest of the world. I have one ordered. I have both mirrorless (Full frame) A7RIII and (APS-C) A6500 and they both shoot silently, with good low light performance. But in general the full-frame sensors will give somewhat better low light performance than APS-C sensors, it is just a matter of physics.

There are great sale prices now on A6500s new and used, and with two lens you could stay around 2.5k no problem. If you can wait, that A7III is a game changer.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7m3-body-kit?cpint=SG_CATEGORY_SEC-TOUT-OTHER-S61B61B6-EN_GL-2017-12-M01-M61B6-TOUT01-M61B6

Also check out good Fuji and Panasonic mirrorless that shoot silent. Cheers

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Apr 1, 2018 10:01:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
chasgroh wrote:
...I might have an opportunity to shoot on a movie production location, could be inside/outside/who knows. Well, this has got me thinking that I need to be quiet (meaning the shutter) and unobtrusive (meaning me...I'll wear camouflage, haha). I've got great, albeit noisy, equipment that would be fine in any condition...other than the "noisy" part. So how about mirrorless? I'm not up for an A9, but would spring for 2.5k in gear...body and 2 lenses. Low light is the determiner, as I need to at least be able to function there somewhat. I'm liking what I'm reading for the Panasonics and Oly's...but who out there has *real* experience in eclectic conditions with mirrorless? Please, just folks who have the chops...I'm saturated reading stuff.
...I might have an opportunity to shoot on a movie... (show quote)


I’ve used my Panasonic GH4 to photograph stage plays during actual performances. With no mirror, and a completely silent electronic shutter, I was able to record over 300 images per performance, with no one noticing my presence. The electronic viewfinder allows use of the camera without disturbing others with a bright LCD screen.

I used a 12-24mm f/2.8 Lumix pro lens. I would prefer a few primes, but changing lenses during a stage play was out of the question. On a movie set, though, I would also want a 42.5mm f/1.2 or f/1.7, my 35-100mm f/2.8 Pro zoom, and a 150mm f/1.8 (and maybe something wider like a 15mm f/1.7).

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Apr 1, 2018 10:16:46   #
gwilliams6
 
burkphoto wrote:
I’ve used my Panasonic GH4 to photograph stage plays during actual performances. With no mirror, and a completely silent electronic shutter, I was able to record over 300 images per performance, with no one noticing my presence. The electronic viewfinder allows use of the camera without disturbing others with a bright LCD screen.

I used a 12-24mm f/2.8 Lumix pro lens. I would prefer a few primes, but changing lenses during a stage play was out of the question. On a movie set, though, I would also want a 42.5mm f/1.2 or f/1.7, my 35-100mm f/2.8 Pro zoom, and a 150mm f/1.8 (and maybe something wider like a 15mm f/1.7).
I’ve used my Panasonic GH4 to photograph stage pla... (show quote)


Yes Panasonic and Fuji have great silent shooting also.

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Apr 1, 2018 10:42:17   #
joseph premanandan
 
the recent release of Fuji-xH1 is some thing you may consider.little pricy but does worth it.

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Apr 1, 2018 10:54:39   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
chasgroh wrote:
...I cringe. So, not if I can help it! ;0)


The reason I asked is that video is not Fuji’s strong point, so that might help inform which manufacturer you consider.

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Apr 1, 2018 12:00:28   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
burkphoto wrote:
I’ve used my Panasonic GH4 to photograph stage plays during actual performances. With no mirror, and a completely silent electronic shutter, I was able to record over 300 images per performance, with no one noticing my presence. The electronic viewfinder allows use of the camera without disturbing others with a bright LCD screen.

I used a 12-24mm f/2.8 Lumix pro lens. I would prefer a few primes, but changing lenses during a stage play was out of the question. On a movie set, though, I would also want a 42.5mm f/1.2 or f/1.7, my 35-100mm f/2.8 Pro zoom, and a 150mm f/1.8 (and maybe something wider like a 15mm f/1.7).
I’ve used my Panasonic GH4 to photograph stage pla... (show quote)


150mm f/1.8? Is that a typo?

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Apr 1, 2018 12:33:38   #
NoMirrors Loc: Mandeville, LA
 
Here’s another vote for the Olympus em-1.2 with Olympus pro 12-40/2.8 and 40-150/2.8. A bit over your budget but worth the investment. You might even find yourself selling whatever you’re using now. Ive been getting outstanding results in all kinds of environments and in silent mode the shutter is dead quiet. Also, a great variety of lenses from multiple vendors is a huge plus for the Micro 4/3 platform.

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Apr 1, 2018 12:39:37   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
...great stuff guys, thanks for the input! Whether the "gig" goes or not, I'm still up for getting a mirrorless, so this info is valuable!

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Apr 1, 2018 12:49:08   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Naptown Gaijin wrote:
I was at a shop on Friday and the salesman held a SOny A 7 RIII about 2 inches fromy ear and took 3 photos. I couldn't even hear the shutter, because it was in the "quiet mode". It was incredible.

As a SAG-AFTRA member, I would be surprised if the producer allowed you to film a scene while the main cameras are rolling, due to legal issues..... and nobody but the producer normally would have the authority to allow you to film on set while they are shooting.

Break a leg...
N.G
I was at a shop on Friday and the salesman held a ... (show quote)


...small production, and shooting the "scenes" is not in my playbook. I want to shoot the behind the scenes stuff, like the guy pulling focus or a director's happy/agonized expression...haha, you get the idea. *What* they're shooting is pretty much off my radar. I've shot plenty of stage and concert stuff and usually the actual lighting for the players is really pretty good, so the ISO and shutter speed aspects are well handled. But it's *behind* the lighting that I want to concentrate on, so available light might/will not be very good...I would have no fear with my D5 or even D4, but they're distracting with shutter noise, so you see what I'm gunning for. Might not even happen, but I got the GAS and will motor on...

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Apr 1, 2018 13:20:33   #
gwilliams6
 
Back in the day I shot on a few movie and TV show active sets. Anyone old enough to remember Trading Places, Mannequin ,Twelve Monkeys and The Fresh Prince of Bel Air ? Have done more actresses, actors and directors ,in more controlled settings off set since. Back then I had to used a cumbersome blimp to muffle the shutter sounds. Love having mirrorless now. You will love silent shooting too for all those quiet shoots. Enjoy

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Apr 1, 2018 15:24:41   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Sony is the way to go for low light.

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Apr 1, 2018 15:36:26   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
chasgroh wrote:
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...yes, I've read all about it and it looks good. But, have YOU shot with it? That's what I'm looking for, real-world experience. Thanks for the response...


I can’t remember the last time I used a mechanical shutter on either of my cameras, but I do recall that initially it felt very weird. FF will have less noise at high iso, if shooting in darkness. Otherwise either format will do an excellent job. M4/3 can be much smaller overall, which maybe a bonus.

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