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Mar 25, 2018 10:54:00   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.


Older rechargeable batteries used to have a memory. Today's batteries do not, there is no need to deplete today's batteries to "rebuild the memory".

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Mar 25, 2018 11:02:23   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
Does this same advice apply to the camera battery? Should I discharge that one too? My camera batteries seem to be live for less and less time.

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Mar 25, 2018 11:28:27   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
NoSocks wrote:
Does this same advice apply to the camera battery? Should I discharge that one too? My camera batteries seem to be live for less and less time.


MOST of today's camera batteries have no memory that older rechargeable batteries had. No, no need to discharge because they will not build up a memory. Of course, you should keep your batteries fully charged cause you never know when your going to go out shooting with your camera.

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Mar 25, 2018 13:40:06   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.
Do not, let me repeat, DO NOT, do this for lithium ion batteries. They do not need periodic full discharges and, more importantly, they should only be charged with chargers designed for them. They function best when they are charged in the 20%-80% range and if overrcharged, can catch on fire or explode.

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Mar 25, 2018 14:00:42   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
DaveO wrote:
Do you have links to support this, in particular with the lithium batteries many of us use?


Sorry but no links, practical experience as an electronics engineer. I have seen the lithium battery packs the military misused had the batteries been not in a power pack assembly box that was rated for the slight explosion i am sure the operator would have been injured. I cleaned and replaced the lithium's along with other items inside the case that were destroyed. I worked as electrical and mechanical engineer back them. Then I became a photographer and because I new the tech involved I rebuilt many a Ni-cad pack that failed on me as a photographer. Most Ni-cads love to be re-charged but to avoid a set you need to recharge them from almost dead to keep them having a long life. I have two out of five Lumedyne battery packs I rebuilt that still work 20 years later only since I do not use them any more one pack does not take a charge like it used to. Both packs had spent 10 years out of use and i a few months ago tested them just because I had some time and wondered if I could use my Lumedyne with my Nikon. Turns out the Lumedyne may put too much voltage across the terminals on my Nikon so I use it with a sensor or radio in a multiple flash arrangement which means the Lumedyne flash unit never comes into physical contact my contact on my Nikons.
Just thought my knowledge could help people without having to quote internet tech links. Just like you should never use regular locktite on plastic screw holes. it takes a special type of locktite to be used on plastic. Regular locktite makes the plastic really brittle. I had to toss out a few plastic battery boxes and correct a blue print that called to use regular locktite to keep the problem from continuing. then i had to prove it to the head engineer. there are many projects out there to discharge a battery but I found a flashlight bulb rated at the voltage the battery has marked on it works just as well without a lot of techno jumble. The bulb will get hot due to use but when it dims your battery is ready for re-charge or you can leave it in your device and leave the device on that works just fine too but it puts more hours use on the device it is installed in.

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Mar 25, 2018 14:05:25   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
billnikon wrote:
MOST of today's camera batteries have no memory that older rechargeable batteries had. No, no need to discharge because they will not build up a memory. Of course, you should keep your batteries fully charged cause you never know when your going to go out shooting with your camera.


That's because they are the newer Lithiums and not Ni-cads. Flash batteries are usually the Ni-cads when you find them cheap. just do not short the contacts on a Lithium. i knew someone who burned his leg because he put his thought spent Lithium into a pocket full of coins that made contact with the contacts of the battery and the battery got hot and burned his leg thought for a minute his pants might catch fire it did melt the inside of the manmade material the pocket was made from.

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Mar 25, 2018 14:06:23   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
TheShoe wrote:
Do not, let me repeat, DO NOT, do this for lithium ion batteries. They do not need periodic full discharges and, more importantly, they should only be charged with chargers designed for them. They function best when they are charged in the 20%-80% range and if overrcharged, can catch on fire or explode.


I was speaking of Ni-cads of course.

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Mar 25, 2018 14:09:09   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
NoSocks wrote:
Does this same advice apply to the camera battery? Should I discharge that one too? My camera batteries seem to be live for less and less time.


Depends on if the batteries are Ni-cad or Lithium. Lithium no not necessary. Ni-cads it could help a lot. Read the battery side it should tell you which kind of battery it is.

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Mar 25, 2018 14:13:31   #
canon Lee
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.


I have a "maha" charger that has a "soft charge" option.. After a shoot I charge them using soft charge... What if any effect does soft charging option have on my batteries?

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Mar 25, 2018 17:14:27   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
DaveO wrote:
Do you have links to support this, in particular with the lithium batteries many of us use?


I would not recommend discharging lithiums in that manner. They should not be discharged below a critical level or permenant damage will result. In some cases they will combust with a normal charging.

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Mar 25, 2018 19:17:05   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Time to re-cycle you collection of NiCads!

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Mar 25, 2018 19:36:38   #
mtbear
 
I use a Vanson Speedy Box which automatically conditions my batteries based on whether they are NiCad or NiMH, switch chosen, no mixing. It works well for NiMH but I never use NiCad. A little pricey but I think worth the price. I think it has been replaced by a newer model.

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Mar 27, 2018 19:26:31   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.

I have never ever had any issues with half empty batteries performing any different than fully charged, so no, I use them til there empty or half empty and when there is time to charge them I will, done that forever and as I said, never any issues! Also never an issue with charging a lot of batteries that are at different stages all at once! Just use a smart charger!

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Mar 27, 2018 22:37:23   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
speters wrote:
I have never ever had any issues with half empty batteries performing any different than fully charged, so no, I use them til there empty or half empty and when there is time to charge them I will, done that forever and as I said, never any issues! Also never an issue with charging a lot of batteries that are at different stages all at once! Just use a smart charger!


Let's just say you've been VERY lucky!

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Mar 27, 2018 23:02:09   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
speters wrote:
I have never ever had any issues with half empty batteries performing any different than fully charged,

That sure hasn’t been my experience. My half empty batteries run down about twice as fast as the fully charged ones.

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