Diagnose Histogram and Settings (Page 3): Your suggestion was not based on a grasp of the facts. That's why my post irritated you. I know the subject better than you do. You don't take...

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

chaman wrote:

No. My assessment was not erroneous. Its another way of getting the image. ....

Your suggestion was not based on a grasp of the facts. That's why my post irritated you. I know the subject better than you do.

You don't take humiliation well. You will have to get much smarter and learn a lot more about digital exposure before you can challenge me.

Until then I suggest you crawl back under your bridge and do some research.

chaman

selmslie wrote:

Your suggestion was not based on a grasp of the facts. That's why my post irritated you. I know the subject better than you do.

You don't take humiliation well. You will have to get much smarter and learn a lot more about digital exposure before you can challenge me.

Until then I suggest you crawl back under your bridge and do some research.

Look at that.....humiliation, challenge...etc. LOL! Yes, keep behaving like a snob. I'm sorry to inform you that you are humiliating yourself with this shameful behavior. I still stand behind what I said earlier and have the images to prove it. My suggestion was based on experience and results. Results, something you have YET to achieve. Whinnying to other members to read your post again....how cute! You wanted attention but somehow you were ignored? is that how you feel, little man?

You are one of those who loves to hear himself talk yet:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-511712-1.html

You post these crappy, mediocre images. No TALENT, whatsoever. Enjoy your failures some more, snob. Want to LEARN to shoot some birds? Here, bigmouth, feel free to browse and learn about not only exposure but composition too. That way you can continue to grow that jealousy some more....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chaman_photography/albums/72157639567008633/page1

Having said that:

LY2A9917aa by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

I will find something much useful to do than waste my time with a useless snob like you.

anotherview Loc: California

The Histogram tells part of the tale: Blown highlights and too-dark shadow areas.

In Adobe Camera Raw or its like, you very likely can back off the highlights, even enough to reveal some texture in the bright feathers. Hold down the Alt key while moving the highlights slider. The Histogram in ACR will also show you when the HL spike has disappeared.

ACR also allows adjustment of shadows. Bring up the shadows to suit your eye. You can set shadows by holding the Alt key will moving the Shadows slider.

You also need to brighten the mid-tones.

Let me please suggest, to save you time and anguish, that you attend one or more workshops in photo-editing. This attendance will give you a foundation and confidence.

Stan W. wrote:

Would someone please look at my settings and this histogram and help me to understand what I am doing wrong. (Other than getting another hobby) Thanks.......Stan

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

chaman wrote:

... Having said that:

LY2A9917aa by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

I will find something much useful to do than waste my time with a useless snob like you.

You were lucky that this image was not in full sunlight or you would not have known how to expose it. It's a bit dark. There's not much detail in the feathers and it's not very sharp overall.

Besides needing to learn a lot more about exposure and photography, you need to grow up. You overestimate the quality of your images.

chaman

selmslie wrote:

You were lucky that this image was not in full sunlight or you would not have known how to expose it. It's a bit dark. There's not much detail in the feathers and it's not very sharp overall.

Besides needing to learn a lot more about exposure and photography, you need to grow up. You overestimate the quality of your images.

Im going to assume you know how to use Flickr and clicked on the image (maybe what I am overestimating is the mental health of who I am talking here, but well)....Its perfectly sharp and adequately exposed considering the distance it was taken and the crop that was made, sorry. I got that printed in metal and hanged. The worse image in that folder I just show you is miles away from the crap you usually post here.....and it hurts YOU, right? I was lucky in all of them right? LOL! Pathetic...... So, get down from that high horse and actually show some TALENT, if you can. Stop your snobbery. You behaved like a 3 year old because no one acknowledged your "wisdom". You should be ashamed that an OLD man like you shows this type of behavior. If you want attention go seek it some place else.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

chaman wrote:

Its perfectly sharp and adequately exposed, sorry.... (show quote)

Sorry, but it’s simply not very sharp nor well executed. Since there was no direct sunlight and th DR wasn’t very wide, any amateur could have done just as well on full Auto with a JPEG and it looks like that’s exactly what you did.

Most of the snaps in your folder are pretty routine as well and display no particular talent.

In particular, the black birds have blocked up shadows. That can happen with a JPEG if you don’t know what you are doing, and you don’t.

chaman

selmslie wrote:

Sorry, but it’s simply not very sharp nor well executed. Since there was no direct sunlight and th DR wasn’t very wide, any amateur could have done just as well on full Auto with a JPEG and it looks like that’s exactly what you did.

Most of the snaps in your folder are pretty routine as well and display no particular talent.

In particular, the black birds have blocked up shadows. That can happen with a JPEG if you don’t know what you are doing, and you don’t.

Sure. LOL! Keep the jealousy flowing.

Here enjoy other snaps:

LY2A6287 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

playa sardinera (275) by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

LY2A3984 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

LY2A2839 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

LY2A6102 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

Only in your dreams could you shoot something similar. Know why? Because you have ZERO talent, none. You have spent all your life stocking up useless facts trying desperately to compensate for your shortcomings. Thats why you post mostly in the Photo Gallery, where you will surely have your hypocritical, shallow empty praise by the horde of losers that populate that section. Ashamed yet? You should be! As said before enjoy your failures.

canon Lee

When two members are having a "pissing war", it doesnt help others...... We are not all 12 yr olds.....

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

chaman wrote:

Sure. LOL! Keep the jealousy flowing....

Only in your dreams could you shoot something similar. Know why? Because you have ZERO talent, none. You have spent all your life stocking up useless facts trying desperately to compensate for your shortcomings. Thats why you post mostly in the Photo Gallery, where you will surely have your hypocritical, shallow empty praise by the horde of losers that populate that section. Ashamed yet? You should be! As said before enjoy your failures.

Only the second one was taken in full sunlight. Note the shadows in that one only. I doubt that anyone is impressed by that shot.

More than half of these were taken in full sunlight and I did not even meter them or any of the 180 images I took that day.

I didn't even use a meter for this one either because I have more knowledge and experience you can ever hope for.

(Download)

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

canon Lee wrote:

When two members are having a "pissing war", it doesnt help others...... We are not all 12 yr olds.....

I have already proved my point that Sunny 16 does not blow raw highlights in broad daylight, even if chaman is too thick to understand it.

I'm done with this pissing match. Let's see if he has sense enough to give up.

chaman

selmslie wrote:

I have already proved my point that Sunny 16 does not blow raw highlights in broad daylight, even if chaman is too thick to understand it.

I'm done with this pissing match. Let's see if he has sense enough to give up.

Thats it.....thats the only more or less decent image? Yes talent seems to be lacking. You think those car images were challenging? LOL! For someone who brags that much and cries when others ignore him you examples are nothing short of pathetic. Cutting wheels off, poor composition....LOL! Yes better to give up.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

Stan W. wrote:

Would someone please look at my settings and this histogram and help me to understand what I am doing wrong. (Other than getting another hobby) Thanks.......Stan

Looks like you used pattern / matrix metering. Whit birds are overexposed, other areas under exposed. This can easily happen when shooting this way....I would spot meter on the MAIN subject and then do post on it. Its better to under expose a little than over expose. You can recover from a little under, but its much harder than over. Histograms show blacks on the left, whites on the right. Ideally you want the histo between the outsides evenly distributed. too far left is under, to far right is over exposed. Immediately look at the histo and readjust if necessary.

Here is a good link to read https://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-read-and-use-histograms/

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

frankraney wrote:

... Its better to under expose a little than over expose. You can recover from a little under, but its much harder than over. ...

Proponents of ETTR might argue with "better" but it's certainly safer in the face of uncertainty.

But knowledge is power. Once you understand what is recorded and what to do with it you will find that it is pretty safe to expose naturally.

canon Lee

selmslie wrote:

I have already proved my point that Sunny 16 does not blow raw highlights in broad daylight, even if chaman is too thick to understand it.

I'm done with this pissing match. Let's see if he has sense enough to give up.

Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here NOT about photography but the need to right all the time!!!

canon Lee

chaman wrote:

Thats it.....thats the only more or less decent image? Yes talent seems to be lacking. You think those car images were challenging? LOL! For someone who brags that much and cries when others ignore him you examples are nothing short of pathetic. Cutting wheels off, poor composition....LOL! Yes better to give up.

When you pick someone apart may be an indication of the need to be right all of the time