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Feb 23, 2018 11:33:59   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
In the Inner City...

POTUS: So 10% of the Staff have concealed guns on campus and the Attacker in one of the 90% areas without a gun... The confusion of what to do next happens. 911 is dialed. The Staff hurries to the rescue... the Police arrive and see a person running with a gun. They shoot her/him. Teacher dies.

Suppose you are a teacher, of a minority ethnicity, working in the ghetto or barrio... like I was. 6'2" ominous looking to strangers, but a "Teddy Bear" to those that know you. Running through campus trying to confront an attacker, then the Police arrive and see ME with a gun running. I'm dead. No thank you.

I'll lock the door and let the professionals do THEIR job, I'll do MINE. Or I'll just wait in MY room until the attacker comes to me... leaving 90% of the campus in danger?

Possible solutions?
Background checks, no weapons of war for the public, enforce/close the gun purchasing loopholes, raise the age, heed the advice of parents, Mental evaluations of purchasers, longer waiting periods for all buyers, limitations on the number of guns/rifles, make ammo expensive?

But this is much too difficult to solve?
When a student is hitting another with a branch, I take away the branch. Is it that simple?

No way, I must be forgetting something. Some may say all the trees need to be chopped down.
Others might ask, "What did that kid do to deserve the beating?"
Perhaps the attacker was mentally challenged? Why were funds for mental health cut?
Blame Obama?

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Feb 23, 2018 11:42:01   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the Inner City...

POTUS: So 10% of the Staff have concealed guns on campus and the Attacker in one of the 90% areas without a gun... The confusion of what to do next happens. 911 is dialed. The Staff hurries to the rescue... the Police arrive and see a person running with a gun. They shoot her/him. Teacher dies.

Suppose you are a teacher, of a minority ethnicity, working in the ghetto or barrio... like I was. 6'2" ominous looking to strangers, but a "Teddy Bear" to those that know you. Running through campus trying to confront an attacker, then the Police arrive and see ME with a gun running. I'm dead. No thank you.

I'll lock the door and let the professionals do THEIR job, I'll do MINE. Or I'll just wait in MY room until the attacker comes to me... leaving 90% of the campus in danger?

Possible solutions?
Background checks, no weapons of war for the public, enforce/close the gun purchasing loopholes, raise the age, heed the advice of parents, Mental evaluations of purchasers, longer waiting periods for all buyers, limitations on the number of guns/rifles, make ammo expensive?

But this is much too difficult to solve?
When a student is hitting another with a branch, I take away the branch. Is it that simple?

No way, I must be forgetting something. Some may say all the trees need to be chopped down.
Others might ask, "What did that kid do to deserve the beating?"
Perhaps the attacker was mentally challenged? Why were funds for mental health cut?
Blame Obama?
In the Inner City... br br POTUS: So 10% of the S... (show quote)


And what do you do with the millions of more branches that are right there in plain sight, all of them who have never been used by anybody to hit anybody else. All you have done is gotten rid of one branch which actually had no evil intention.

As for the teachers getting shot, most law enforcement people I ever worked with knew enough and had enough respect for life to yell out, Stop. It is only dumb ass idiots like Michael Brown who did not heed the warning and was actually shot and rightfully killed. Police are a lot smarter than you on the Left give them credit for. As both my parents were teachers, one in a maximum security prison, I give them credit and all teachers to be smart enough to know when to drop the gun when directed by police officers. Apparently you do not give either of them credit.

Your idea apparently is to stay in your room while the carnage goes on. Not me if I have any way of stopping it.

Dennis

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Feb 23, 2018 13:16:00   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
Dennis,

Every so often I see in the news how police have used deadly force primarily on minorities, that gives me pause. We have officers using deadly force, asking questions later and usually not being convicted if the victim is a minority. I didn't become a teacher to risk my life. I became a teacher to shape the future with intelligent citizens.

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Feb 23, 2018 13:56:03   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Arming teachers, distracting from the true purpose of their career and training; is about as dumb of an an idea I ever heard a politician propose. Trump is hopeless.

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Feb 24, 2018 08:58:48   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Trump learned that from Archie Bunker - when Archie said that the answer to hijacking airplanes was to give everyone on board a gun. Trump thought it was a serious and good idea and never forgot it.

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Feb 24, 2018 09:45:35   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
sb wrote:
Trump learned that from Archie Bunker - when Archie said that the answer to hijacking airplanes was to give everyone on board a gun. Trump thought it was a serious and good idea and never forgot it.



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Feb 24, 2018 11:08:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Dennis,

Every so often I see in the news how police have used deadly force primarily on minorities, that gives me pause. We have officers using deadly force, asking questions later and usually not being convicted if the victim is a minority. I didn't become a teacher to risk my life. I became a teacher to shape the future with intelligent citizens.


Has it ever occurred to you that the police might use deadly force on minorities because 1. Minorities make up a large number of felons and 2. Those minorities were in the commission of a violent crime and needed to be stopped from killing someone, possibly another minority. 3. Police officers kill more white people than they do minorities but of course the MSM does not report that and Liberals are not out to march on behalf of a white person. Apparently if the man killed by police is white or Hispanic it is deemed by Liberals that he deserved it. But if the person shot is black that is when the marches begin. In 99% of the cases where a minority (you really mean a black person) there has been evidence that the shooting was justified. But that isn't enough for your Liberals. You are always looking for some other reason to put the blame on the police even if it was a black officer who shot a black thug.

Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin are now considered heroes by Liberals but in reality Brown tried to kill a police officer and Martin tried to kill Zimmerman. Both were shot doing what they do best, Thuggery. Even the Obama justice department agreed with this finding after at least 40 Federal officers investigated the case. Yet Brown is still the hero of the Left. "Hands up-Don't Shoot" has been proven to be a lie yet you Liberals STILL use that crap when you are honoring Black Lives Matter who uses it as their marching song against police officers. You remember, "Fry em like bacon".

My memory sucks and I am not going to look up every case but as I recall the big name cases you Liberals all wet your panties for have come back in favor of the police officers and against the black criminals. Yet you still push your Leftist agenda against police. Only one police officer I can recall was convicted of shooting the black man and that was the one on tape where the black man and the white officer shot him in the back. Show us your side.

Dennis

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Feb 24, 2018 11:10:20   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Dennis,

Every so often I see in the news how police have used deadly force primarily on minorities, that gives me pause. We have officers using deadly force, asking questions later and usually not being convicted if the victim is a minority. I didn't become a teacher to risk my life. I became a teacher to shape the future with intelligent citizens.


Then you would be a poor choice to be an armed teacher and nobody would ask you to put your life on the line. I wonder if you would EVER put your life on the line for anything or if you are the type of person who believes in, Let George do it.

Dennis

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Feb 24, 2018 11:12:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Arming teachers, distracting from the true purpose of their career and training; is about as dumb of an an idea I ever heard a politician propose. Trump is hopeless.


How funny that hundreds of teachers have already volunteered to take on this responsibility. If I was a teacher I certainly would. Nobody is asking that they go on seek and destroy missions to kill the attacker. But if given a chance to save your life or simply be gunned down while cowering in a corner would you not at least like a CHANCE to save your own life as well as the lives of your students?

Dennis

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Feb 24, 2018 11:13:29   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
sb wrote:
Trump learned that from Archie Bunker - when Archie said that the answer to hijacking airplanes was to give everyone on board a gun. Trump thought it was a serious and good idea and never forgot it.


More Liberal horse shit not based on any common sense, just more Put Trump Down, crap.

Dennis

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Feb 24, 2018 15:43:22   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the Inner City...

POTUS: So 10% of the Staff have concealed guns on campus and the Attacker in one of the 90% areas without a gun... The confusion of what to do next happens. 911 is dialed. The Staff hurries to the rescue... the Police arrive and see a person running with a gun. They shoot her/him. Teacher dies.

Suppose you are a teacher, of a minority ethnicity, working in the ghetto or barrio... like I was. 6'2" ominous looking to strangers, but a "Teddy Bear" to those that know you. Running through campus trying to confront an attacker, then the Police arrive and see ME with a gun running. I'm dead. No thank you.

I'll lock the door and let the professionals do THEIR job, I'll do MINE. Or I'll just wait in MY room until the attacker comes to me... leaving 90% of the campus in danger?

Possible solutions?
Background checks, no weapons of war for the public, enforce/close the gun purchasing loopholes, raise the age, heed the advice of parents, Mental evaluations of purchasers, longer waiting periods for all buyers, limitations on the number of guns/rifles, make ammo expensive?

But this is much too difficult to solve?
When a student is hitting another with a branch, I take away the branch. Is it that simple?

No way, I must be forgetting something. Some may say all the trees need to be chopped down.
Others might ask, "What did that kid do to deserve the beating?"
Perhaps the attacker was mentally challenged? Why were funds for mental health cut?
Blame Obama?
In the Inner City... br br POTUS: So 10% of the S... (show quote)


With that thinking there is also no reason to put officers at airports, the Capital Building in Washington, DC or actually ANY building at all in America. Many agencies use personnel in plain clothes so as to have armed security in the building without alarming the public. What if there is an active shooter in that building. I guess the Liberal idea is they just lay down on the floor and yell, I am a policeman, in hopes that their own people won't shoot them. Please get a grip.

Dennis

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Feb 24, 2018 21:08:29   #
Sjfh
 
How many shootings have happened in locations that are “gun free zones”? Most, if not all, of them. I surmise that these locations are attractive to would-be terrorists (these killers are terrorists, by definition) because of the low risk of encountering serious resistance.

I don’t think that arming just any teachers would be an ideal strategy, but I do believe that a good number of teachers already posess and carry weapons outside of the schoolhouse. Allowing them to carry their weapons in the classroom would be a simple strategy to employ and virtually without cost.

I don’t think that this policy should stop at schools, either.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that a good number of people already carry (concealed) in gun-free zones. How would anyone know, unless the person with the weapon didn’t tell you? Personally, I’d choose arrest for using the firearm over not having it when it was needed....if it ever came to that.

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Feb 24, 2018 21:27:54   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Arming teachers, distracting from the true purpose of their career and training; is about as dumb of an an idea I ever heard a politician propose. Trump is hopeless.


Not as dumb as setting up free fire zones for mass murderers, know as gun free zones.

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Feb 24, 2018 21:30:01   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Dennis,

Every so often I see in the news how police have used deadly force primarily on minorities, that gives me pause. We have officers using deadly force, asking questions later and usually not being convicted if the victim is a minority. I didn't become a teacher to risk my life. I became a teacher to shape the future with intelligent citizens.


It is leftist doublethink that only the police should have guns because police kill minorities for no reason.

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Feb 24, 2018 23:42:13   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I'll lock the door and let the professionals do THEIR job ...


Several are dead in Florida because they took that approach, and how well did those professionals do?

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