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Feb 10, 2018 22:48:15   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
bellgamin wrote:
I want to experiment with macro a bit, so I want to do it on the cheap. I have read of 2 el cheapo methods:

1) extension tubes

2) macro filters (you know, those +1 +4 +10 sets - what is the correct name of them I wonder)

Which is better, 1 or 2?

Oh yes, just remembered --- focusing rails ... I assume they will attach to any standard tripod screw-it-on gizmo. Correct?


"1" Extension Tubes.

Note, you really should not be using AF for Macro anyway, so any correct Set of Extension Tubes fine. There can be 3 levels of camera-lens communication with types and prices of Extensions Tubes: All Manual (no communication); AE (auto iris or stop for Aperture Priority or Shutter Priority, possibly only one); AF (full AF communication).

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Feb 10, 2018 22:50:48   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Thanks Bob - I too have a couple old Canon FD mount lens I work with - in-fact that was my first experiment - A prime Canon 50 MM and a 35-70 - lots of fun with these lens and the inexpensive "toys" that are available.
I have only done a couple stacking that I have been happy with - I find that at my age - now 80-I am just too impatient to mess with many layers so I am shooting at f8 & f11 for deeper DOF in fewer if not just one shot.
Harvey-
quote=rmalarz]Very impressive work, Harvey.
--Bob[/quote]

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Feb 10, 2018 22:57:49   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Harvey wrote:
I have been experimenting with "macro on the cheep" for quite while - 3 to 5 yrs in fact- and have came up with a kit that gives me pretty good magnification up to 3.5:1 - which includes:
canon Rebel T3i w/tilt lcd
canon FD 50 MM adapted to my EOS mount
tripod

a set of manual extension tubes $20
a 4 direction macro rail $29
a macro bellows $19

for lighting I have a ring light that fits the very front of my lens, $19
a "Pringle Can Flash diffuser" that can be adjusted to differant lens and tube lengths $ 1.59 but free after I eat the chips

For a total of less than $100
Harvey in the SIERRAS
I have been experimenting with "macro on the ... (show quote)


Just to have something to compare it to, here is a Sony A99 with the Minolta 100mm f2.8 lens at full macro.


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Feb 10, 2018 23:45:03   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
JimH123 wrote:
Just to have something to compare it to, here is a Sony A99 with the Minolta 100mm f2.8 lens at full macro.

You couldn't just throw in your $.02. You had to raise it a dime?

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Feb 11, 2018 00:23:57   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
alx wrote:
You couldn't just throw in your $.02. You had to raise it a dime?


That's one way of looking at it.

By the way, getting a good image of a dime is not easy. With the reflections, it was really difficult to tell exactly when I was in focus. I ended up doing it a number of times before getting it right.

As an easier subject to photograph, I took a look at the calculator on my desk and gave that a try. Perfectly flat surface , and refections didn't seem to be a big deal. For this one, and the next, I added the Raynox DCR-150 which is magnifying filter that inserted in the front of the lens, which in this case was the Minolta 100mm f2.8 macro lens with a Sony A99 full frame camera. The DCR-150 seemed to double the magnification.

The second was a cork coaster for setting a glass on.

And finally, a metric ruler just to show the size with it showing 3 to 4 cm.


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Feb 11, 2018 01:11:07   #
murph
 
For about 10USD you could do a reversing ring on your dslr, and then turn a wide angle lens backwards on the camera. This produces surprisingly good macro shots, and you are filterless. See link on you tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m56ANbj9YpE I don't have sample for you to see, but if you have a nice 24, 28, 35mm that you like, give it a try! I think you will be happy with the results. Lens needs to be one with f-ring, and auto focus won't work of course.

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Feb 11, 2018 01:17:27   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
murph wrote:
For about 10USD you could do a reversing ring on your dslr, and then turn a wide angle lens backwards on the camera. This produces surprisingly good macro shots, and you are filterless. See link on you tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m56ANbj9YpE I don't have sample for you to see, but if you have a nice 24, 28, 35mm that you like, give it a try! I think you will be happy with the results. Lens needs to be one with f-ring, and auto focus won't work of course.


Yes, I have done this, and with good results. A reversing ring can be had for cheap on eBay.

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Feb 11, 2018 08:21:53   #
ThreeCee Loc: Washington, DC
 
Macro photography is a whole new world. I would try it with the extension tubes and have at it. After experimentation and confirmation that it is your passion you can upgrade. It is very expensive and requires specialized equipment to get the best results. Ring flash, sturdy tripod, high resolution camera, high quality fast macro lenses.

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Feb 11, 2018 09:06:12   #
nauticalmike
 
murph wrote:
For about 10USD you could do a reversing ring on your dslr, and then turn a wide angle lens backwards on the camera. This produces surprisingly good macro shots, and you are filterless. See link on you tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m56ANbj9YpE I don't have sample for you to see, but if you have a nice 24, 28, 35mm that you like, give it a try! I think you will be happy with the results. Lens needs to be one with f-ring, and auto focus won't work of course.


Everyone keeps saying you need a lens with an f-ring, however as I mentioned previously you can buy a devise that mounts onto the f-mount of a nikon lens that allows you to control the aperture using the little rod that stick out of the bottom of the mount that the camera body itself usually moves to adjust the aperture.

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Feb 11, 2018 12:26:58   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
bellgamin wrote:
...Yesterday I spent 5 hours on the hunt for a non-zoom macro lens within my budget of $150...

In yesterday's hunt, in those cases where I had sufficient data provided by the seller, either the lens was incompatible or it was way over my budget or the condition was ap-cray. I also noticed that a majority of listings by real camera stores (rather than mom & pop stores) gave the impression that their condition statements were written by teams of lawyers instead of friendly, helpful photog folks.

I shall try again in a few days. .....Yes, I have a very good tripod. It is steady & reliable. Also, it makes a splendid defensive weapon when confronted by rabid dogs, Yeti, or grifters. 😁
...Yesterday I spent 5 hours on the hunt for a non... (show quote)

The condition statements provided by "Trusted Vendors" are intended to give a true representation of the store's evaluation of the used gear they sell. You don't mention which stores you looked at, but online you can go to B&H and Adorama, where their team evaluates the gear, and the evaluations are thorough.

I have never used extension tubes, but from what OP have said, sounds like the way to go for best results. However, if you have a long zoom lens you can do what I call "pseudo-macro" with that. That is what I did when first getting interested in macro photography. Results are very good, just not as in-depth as with a true macro lens. But it was enough to help me decide to spend the money on a true macro lens!

With a 50mm lens, you will have to get very close to the subject to get a decent result. Longer lets you focus in on the subject and also gives good bokeh. Some cropping may be called for if you didn't focus in enough, but good detail can be obtained.


Examples below demonstrate that good detail can be captured without a macro lens, and that a macro lens captures much better detail.

Taken with a 55-300mm lens at 180mm focal length, minimal cropping
Taken with a 55-300mm lens at 180mm focal length, ...
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Taken with a 150mm f/2.8 Sigma macro lens
Taken with a 150mm f/2.8 Sigma macro lens...
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Feb 11, 2018 12:40:08   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Nice shots Susan! Did you use the D810 for those shots? (looks like it!)

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Feb 11, 2018 12:55:55   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Yes - a dime makes a great test subject due to it's size and fine engraving - a dime is 12 mm at full macro it is 2:1 there was a resent post showing a quarter which is 24mm at 1:1 with a dime on top of it showing the comparison of the two.
That is where I found the breakdown in macro measurement that I could finally understand. I then took shots of a tape measure's mm with various lens set-ups and found good 24 mm- 1:1,12 mm- 2:1,6 mm- 3:1 and lastly 4 mm-3.5:1 now I need to move on from my dime to nature.
Harvey
JimH123 wrote:
Just to have something to compare it to, here is a Sony A99 with the Minolta 100mm f2.8 lens at full macro.

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Feb 11, 2018 14:00:54   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
Nice shots Susan! Did you use the D810 for those shots? (looks like it!)

Thank you Chris. I didn't have the D810 yet when I took these photos! Bought it in the fall of 2015. These were taken with the D7000 which I bought in 2012.

The Penstemon bud was taken in July 2015 and the poppy flower in May 2012.

That poppy flower photo was one of the ones that convinced me I wanted a true macro lens, which I bought in 2013.

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Feb 14, 2018 21:22:14   #
bellgamin Loc: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
 
murph wrote:
For about 10USD you could do a reversing ring on your dslr, and then turn a wide angle lens backwards on the camera. This produces surprisingly good macro shots, and you are filterless. See link on you tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m56ANbj9YpE ... ... ...
I bought one. It's on the way. 10Q very much!

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