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Feb 8, 2018 10:21:22   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Michael Barrus wrote:
No real help from me but a question to all you pros....I am trying to become more efficient, so should I stop with the PRE white balance adjustment when I go from one situation to another and simply just keep it in AUTO and adjust in Lightroom? Does one way produce better quality over the other?

It depends.

The color of the light shining on the subject is always changing. The color of the subject also influences the light that the camera sees. Auto WB tries to guess what that all means but it may not be what you want.

In the camera, WB affects only the JPEG image so if you are going to edit the image on the computer you may end up changing it anyhow.

Your own eyesight will fool you and you can't really judge colors at the scene because your eye-brain combines to do its own version of white balance.

So I just leave the WB set to Daylight (unless I am shooting indoors under incandescent lighting). This way the color of the light or the subject does not mess with the result. Broad daylight looks natural, sunsets look warm and red and cloudy or rainy days look bluish like they actually are. The camera records all of these scenes objectively.

I copy the raw file to the computer and work with it. I may also hang on the the JPEG from the camera just for reference but that's not my primary source.

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Feb 8, 2018 10:26:39   #
Nikon Shooter17 Loc: Glenwood, MN
 
selmslie wrote:
It depends.

The color of the light shining on the subject is always changing. The color of the subject also influences the light that the camera sees. Auto WB tries to guess what that all means but it may not be what you want.

In the camera, WB affects only the JPEG image so if you are going to edit the image on the computer you may end up changing it anyhow.

Your own eyesight will fool you and you can't really judge colors at the scene because your eye-brain combines to do its own version of white balance.

So I just leave the WB set to Daylight (unless I am shooting indoors under incandescent lighting). This way the color of the light or the subject does not mess with the result. Broad daylight looks natural, sunsets look warm and red and cloudy or rainy days look bluish like they actually are. The camera records all of these scenes objectively.

I copy the raw file to the computer and work with it. I may also hang on the the JPEG from the camera just for reference but that's not my primary source.
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Thanks for the advice!

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Feb 8, 2018 10:46:19   #
Steamboat
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Modern digital cameras have a plethora of adjustment features that I expect a lot of people do not use much, or even at all. I would hazard a guess that they are included because they are simple software adjustments that can be touted as selling features. But in my case I found them to be a liability that accidentally -- and negatively -- affected a lot of my photos.

I was on a trip to Iceland in November when the weather was quite cold, windy and rainy. I often stepped out of the car holding my camera under my coat for protection against the elements. I was also wearing gloves, so my sense of touch was compromised. Had I left the camera on full AUTO I would not have been able to change certain settings, but I often shoot in Aperture Priority or Program modes where the user is in control of many adjustments. And adjust I did...

On my camera (Sony A57) the White Balance control is the right side of the four-way controller. It turns out my gloved thumb was hitting this button while I was holding the camera under my coat, thereby activating the WB adjustment; and further accidental presses of the four-way controller changed the settings to all manner of different values for colour temperature, A-G, and G-M colour balance. I noticed the odd colours in the viewfinder and LCD screen, but did not clue in as to what was going on because my EVF and LCD displays are usually configured for a clutter-free view of the image. I really thought something had gone seriously wrong in the camera. Yes, there are view/display options that give a lot more detail about the camera settings and that would have shown me the actual settings being applied, but I find these info-rich displays distracting for the most part. Luckily I am able to recover the photos in PP, but it required tabulating the WB settings for each image to determine which had been affected (some adjustments were small). More than 200 of 1100 photos were "off" to varying degrees.

So I guess one point of this thread is to let off steam and express my frustration with some of the "useful features" and ergonomic design aspects of my camera. Are these fine tunings of colour balance really useful, given the capabilities of PP? Do folks actually take the time to adjust these settings before a shoot?

A second point -- and probably the main point -- is to vent my anger with myself for not understanding my camera better and for not being more familiar with its capabilities AND information displays. I now know that there are EVF and LCD display settings that provide virtually ALL of the shooting parameters of the camera, and maybe I just need to get more comfortable with using them at the appropriate times. I will probably continue to shoot with the minimal EVF/LCD info overlays, but I now know how to quickly determine why a photo might not look quite right.

Thanks for listening... I feel better now.
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Agreed!!! Japanese cameras do way too much !
Its why folks overspend for simple German Leica's ...they do very little.
With all the model's Sony has why don't they make one with a simple menu .......for photographers?
Learning the damn menu is why I haven't bought Sony
I feel your pain

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Feb 8, 2018 10:49:16   #
cuckoobob
 
Thank you for venting! I'm new to my digital camera (Pentax K10D) and have a lot to learn! Thanks for pointing out the not-so-obvious!

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Feb 8, 2018 10:53:30   #
BebuLamar
 
Steamboat wrote:
Agreed!!! Japanese cameras do way too much !
Its why folks overspend for simple German Leica's ...they do very little.
With all the model's Sony has why don't they make one with a simple menu .......for photographers?
Learning the damn menu is why I haven't bought Sony
I feel your pain


Really? How many of those came from Japan? Especially the Sony? Many Canon's do come from Japan but not so many from Nikon and Sony or Pentax.

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Feb 8, 2018 10:53:33   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Steamboat wrote:
... Learning the damn menu is why I haven't bought Sony
I feel your pain

One of my cameras is a Sony A7 II. I really feel your pain. The menus suck.

But if I keep things simple the camera works fine.

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Feb 8, 2018 11:14:55   #
Steamboat
 
cuckoobob wrote:
Thank you for venting! I'm new to my digital camera (Pentax K10D) and have a lot to learn! Thanks for pointing out the not-so-obvious!


I'm not sure I understand what your saying? All of then are from Japan or at least they are designed by Japanese companies. Canon Nikon Sony and Pentax etc they are all more complicated then they have to be. But we use them anyway .......Ever see a Leica menu? I'm not defending the cameras price just that the menu and cameras are wonderfully simple.
Like a camera should be.

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Feb 8, 2018 11:35:11   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Well, the circumstances of your shots guaranteed the camera had to be use in a compromising manner. Might we think about measures to be invoked for different adverse circumstances. Do the manual writers expound on this? First thought out of the gate would be using some auto features. If too many, then put the DSLR down and grab the point & shoot toy.

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Feb 8, 2018 11:40:58   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
What else is there?

Mike


White balance.

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Feb 8, 2018 11:58:36   #
Kuzano
 
GPS.....!!!! dangerous to your health and well being. Particularly read the part about "children" and "grandchildren" in the last URL I provided here.

Known Issue by law enforcement. Have family in law enforcement.

Pedophiles and burglars use GPS coordinates in EXIF information to locate targets they find attractive.

https://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/remove-location-data-from-your-photos-before-sharing-th-1593773810

https://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/smartphonepix.asp

And to further elucidate and WARN! This YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vARzvWxwY&feature=youtu.be

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Feb 8, 2018 12:04:11   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
I may be wrong, but I thought the "dangerous" comment in the OP post was a bit tongue in cheek, and I liked it! Nobody ever died or got seriously injured using the wrong WB setting! ;-)

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Feb 8, 2018 12:06:16   #
BebuLamar
 
Steamboat wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what your saying? All of then are from Japan or at least they are designed by Japanese companies. Canon Nikon Sony and Pentax etc they are all more complicated then they have to be. But we use them anyway .......Ever see a Leica menu? I'm not defending the cameras price just that the menu and cameras are wonderfully simple.
Like a camera should be.


I don't know of any currently available Sony that comes from Japan nor Pentax. Only 2 Nikon models come from Japan.

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Feb 8, 2018 12:08:59   #
Kuzano
 
tommystrat wrote:
I may be wrong, but I thought the "dangerous" comment in the OP post was a bit tongue in cheek, and I liked it! Nobody ever died or got seriously injured using the wrong WB setting! ;-)


No, perhaps not from WB settings. But they have been hurt or died from GPS coordinates thrown wildly into the internet in EXIF information. Be AWARE!

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Feb 8, 2018 12:25:34   #
Steamboat
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't know of any currently available Sony that comes from Japan nor Pentax. Only 2 Nikon models come from Japan.


Who designs Sony if not the Japanese ...no kidding ?
Isn't Sony a Japanese company headquartered in Japan? ...as is Nikon and Canon.
Are they designed by someone else?

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Feb 8, 2018 13:18:34   #
CaptainEd
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Sounds like a Sony problem.
I used to have problems accidentally turning the top selection knob on my Canon 20D, but it has been redesigned and I don’t recall problems with any other cameras I have used.
The 20D is from about 2004 so that design was a long time ago.
The newest Canon bodies are almost fool proof and the modes in them seem pretty relevant to the likely targeted experience level of the users of certain level bodies.
I use a lot of modes and a lot of the camera, depending on the shooting situations.
No complaints!!!
SS
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I figured out the value of the Lock feature on my Canon last week, shooting a house. Three times, I accidentally changed settings before I remembered that feature!

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