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Feb 4, 2018 15:59:24   #
bengbeng Loc: Houston, Texas
 
You are not wrong burkphoto.

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Feb 4, 2018 17:56:27   #
Pkfish Loc: Wilson Wy
 
I could probably live with a stand alone version. But it does not update for new gear. As many have said the cost the subscription is nothing compared to the cost of the gear. I’ve had more expensive habits in my lifetime. So for now I will stay with the new LR.

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Feb 4, 2018 22:35:03   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Think of it this way. Adobe gives you the programs and sells support for $10 per month. Cheap at twice the price.

Back in the fall I endured three updates in one week: Adobe, Windows 10 whatever, and iOS 11.

Since I knew I wanted LR classic from UHH before I turned on the real computer the Adobe update went very smoothly. Two clicks (LR & PS)' a couple of minutes, converting and re-renaming the catalogs. Up and running with the pleasant surprise that the database schema change reduced the size of the catalog by 40%.

Windows changes less annoying than usual. Less crap to remove than usual but still there.

iOS 11: Gave me nothing useful, didn’t fix bugs in the mail app and Safari, "improved" the keyboard so I still find it awkward.

Adobe clear winner!

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Feb 5, 2018 04:21:00   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Well, your ORIGINALS remain unchanged. If you drop your Lr subscription, you can still export from Lr with previous stored changes applied.

Software companies are not legally allowed to prevent you from using your data — and they would be stupid to do so, anyway! Your previous edits are accessible, but no changes can be made until you resume paying your $9.99 per month for the Photography Bundle of Lr, Lr CC, Ps, and Br.

Lots of people panic, thinking Adobe is ransoming them or something by charging subscription fees. That's crap. People with the previous Lr 6.x stand-alone version can keep using it until it is inconvenient to do so (meaning their computer OS won't support it any longer, or they need a new feature that wasn't in the original, such as support for a new camera raw profile).

Since I need both Ps and Lr CC, I subscribe. I've used Ps since version 1.0 back in the late 1980s. I used Lr since the first beta test.

I used to skip every other version of Ps, because the Adobe upgrade fees were too expensive. I couldn't afford $300 to $400 for a Ps upgrade, but I can afford $10/month. That's a decent bottle of wine, two or three Starbucks coffees, or four gallons of gas. You can't even buy a roll of film and processing that cheap, these days (That's about $30 if you want prints!).

I've said this before: Digital photography is an expensive hobby. By the time you get the equipment to do it right, a $10/month charge for software licensing is cheap, cheap, cheap! I have a small setup:

iMac $1200
Backup drives $1200
Network infrastructure $550
100Mbps Network access $50/month
Monitor Calibrator Kit $150 (The single most important tool I own!)
Desktop Printer $150
Photo Printer $400
Lumix GH4 $1300
Three lenses $1700
Other items (tripod, flash, filters, case, light stands, exposure targets, shoe mounts, LED lights, memory cards...) about $2000

So another $10 is not a big deal.
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Four gallons of gas!!!! Not in California

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Feb 5, 2018 08:52:20   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
wesm wrote:
Four gallons of gas!!!! Not in California


Yes, energy costs less in NC. $2.47 for a gallon yesterday.

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Feb 5, 2018 09:15:05   #
PaulBa Loc: Cardiff, Wales
 
BobHartung wrote:
If I understand your question:

Images are there but the edits will not be accessible if there is no Lightroom Classic on the computer. If you give up LR, I would export the images as edited into large high quality jags or tiff files from LR. That way you can access them with just about any software.


Sorry if I’m missing the obvious but to me this dose not seen to square with Bill’s earlier comment “If you drop your Lr subscription, you can still export from Lr with previous stored changes applied”

Now I’m confused which I admit is not difficult to achieve.

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Feb 5, 2018 09:57:54   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
PaulBa wrote:
Sorry if I’m missing the obvious but to me this dose not seen to square with Bill’s earlier comment “If you drop your Lr subscription, you can still export from Lr with previous stored changes applied”

Now I’m confused which I admit is not difficult to achieve.


Most sources on Adobe say that once you cancel your subscription, you can still access the Library module of Lightroom and can export your edited images from there, but you cannot access the develop menu to do further editing or add other images. There are a few editing options in the Library module, as you can see, but not many.

That said, if I were planning on discontinuing LR I would export my images as TIFFs and hang onto them myself, as Adobe could change its mind about their option at any point.

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Feb 5, 2018 10:10:51   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
minniev wrote:
Most sources on Adobe say that once you cancel your subscription, you can still access the Library module of Lightroom and can export your edited images from there, but you cannot access the develop menu to do further editing or add other images. There are a few editing options in the Library module, as you can see, but not many.

That said, if I were planning on discontinuing LR I would export my images as TIFFs and hang onto them myself, as Adobe could change its mind about their option at any point.
Most sources on Adobe say that once you cancel you... (show quote)


Legally, Adobe cannot block you from accessing your images the way they were developed when you were a subscriber. And from a marketing standpoint, the evil in that would be so heinous it would not survive public shaming. All they do is prevent you from making additional changes. But you can re-subscribe and do that.

I do agree that exporting images as TIFF (and probably DNG as well, to preserve the raw data), would be advisable. It makes it easier to use your images in other applications.

It's important to note that Adobe's growth since the advent of their Creative Cloud subscription plans has been substantial! The overwhelming majority of customers prefer low monthly payments for an always-up-to-date version, instead of one lump sum for a fixed version that requires a fee to upgrade.

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Feb 5, 2018 10:20:24   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
burkphoto wrote:
Legally, Adobe cannot block you from accessing your images the way they were developed when you were a subscriber. And from a marketing standpoint, the evil in that would be so heinous it would not survive public shaming. All they do is prevent you from making additional changes. But you can re-subscribe and do that.

I do agree that exporting images as TIFF (and probably DNG as well, to preserve the raw data), would be advisable. It makes it easier to use your images in other applications.

It's important to note that Adobe's growth since the advent of their Creative Cloud subscription plans has been substantial! The overwhelming majority of customers prefer low monthly payments for an always-up-to-date version, instead of one lump sum for a fixed version that requires a fee to upgrade.
Legally, Adobe cannot block you from accessing you... (show quote)


I much prefer the monthly subscription model to the old lump-sum model, and I plan to keep right on using it as long as it's reasonably priced. I can think of a lot of other things I'd forego to save ten bucks a month before I gave up my photography plan. But I did chase down info on what would happen after the subscription ends. It may sound gruesome, but for those folks like me who aren't young, it makes sense to study this information as a part of making your plan for What Happens Next.

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Feb 5, 2018 14:33:04   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
UKnomad wrote:
I connect camera to my Mac and 'copy' images across into My Pictures folder and LR Classic.
I then sort , delete, edit etc etc.
If/when I delete I choose the Delete from Disk option to remove them from my LR Catalog AND the My Pictures folder on my hard drive.
When exiting LR I choose to backup each time.

If I leave the subscription though I think (?) my photos in My Pictures folder and the backups in Time Machine and Carbon Clone (both done daily) will not be 'the same' as those I view in the LR catalog/library?

Am I correct and what is the solution so that I know I have the edited images safe and sound on both my Mac and my external HDs please?
Do I have to LR export every photo to the appropriate folder in My Pictures?

Many thanks in anticipation.
I connect camera to my Mac and 'copy' images acros... (show quote)

From what OP have said, if you discontinue the Adobe CC subscription, you can continue to view your images and edits in LR, but not do any further adjustments. See the following post.
minniev wrote:
Most sources on Adobe say that once you cancel your subscription, you can still access the Library module of Lightroom and can export your edited images from there, but you cannot access the develop menu to do further editing or add other images. There are a few editing options in the Library module, as you can see, but not many.

That said, if I were planning on discontinuing LR I would export my images as TIFFs and hang onto them myself, as Adobe could change its mind about their option at any point.
Most sources on Adobe say that once you cancel you... (show quote)

Although I have no plans to cancel my subscription, I do want to have multiple backups of ALL my photos and ALL edited versions. What I do NOT want is to see a lot of .xmp files on my hard drives. [Those .xmp files can only be viewed in LR.] That said, my standard practice is to start my edits in LR on the original RAW or on a virtual copy, then finish editing in PS. From there I choose "Save As" and convert to .tiff. This puts the .tiff file into LR and into the folder on my hard drive. At that point I will either re-set the original RAW or delete the virtual copy.

If you do not use PS for editing, then you need to either export every finished edit to the folder on your HD or at least send it to PS so you can choose "Save As".

Making all the changes of format and exporting at the same time would be a tremendous task, which is why it is best to do it as you go. Then if you decide to stop the subscription you will not be stuck with having to go through it all at once. Plus, as I said, I have multiple complete and fully visible [outside of LR] backups of all images.

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Feb 6, 2018 11:49:49   #
UKnomad Loc: England
 
Many thanks Bobhartung and SusanfromVermont and everyone else - all much appreciated.
I am not thinking of cancelling at all......and rightly or wrongly think the sub represents good value to me/for me at this time....also challenges my ageing brain cells working on LR/Photoshop so a double bonus.
I'll go down the Format/Export route from here on in...so that I too have a back-up copy of the edited file as well as the LR catalog......with the price of data storage being what it is....tis well worth a few pounds to have the photos....original and edited.
Many thanks again All.....:)

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Feb 7, 2018 11:00:00   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
UKnomad wrote:
Many thanks Bobhartung and SusanfromVermont and everyone else - all much appreciated.
I am not thinking of cancelling at all......and rightly or wrongly think the sub represents good value to me/for me at this time....also challenges my ageing brain cells working on LR/Photoshop so a double bonus.
I'll go down the Format/Export route from here on in...so that I too have a back-up copy of the edited file as well as the LR catalog......with the price of data storage being what it is....tis well worth a few pounds to have the photos....original and edited.
Many thanks again All.....:)
Many thanks Bobhartung and SusanfromVermont and ev... (show quote)

Glad my comments have been helpful!

I cannot emphasize enough the value of having a backup of the original photos file on your hard drive. This means an additional external hard drive or even two more. If your single hard drive should fail, you need to have that backup so you do not lose your images. The reason behind this is that it is not a question of IF a hard drive will fail, it is a question of WHEN! And this is true of both internal and external hard drives. Never believe that it cannot happen to you. I have been doing multiple backups for quite a while, and never had a problem UNTIL I DID... For the first time, one of my 4TB external HDs died and it was less than a year old. The company replaced it [under warranty], but I would never have had my images again if not for other backups. [Apparently there are ways to retrieve information, but it gets expensive.]

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Feb 7, 2018 11:10:42   #
bengbeng Loc: Houston, Texas
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
Glad my comments have been helpful!

I cannot emphasize enough the value of having a backup of the original photos file on your hard drive. This means an additional external hard drive or even two more. If your single hard drive should fail, you need to have that backup so you do not lose your images. The reason behind this is that it is not a question of IF a hard drive will fail, it is a question of WHEN! And this is true of both internal and external hard drives. Never believe that it cannot happen to you. I have been doing multiple backups for quite a while, and never had a problem UNTIL I DID... For the first time, one of my 4TB external HDs died and it was less than a year old. The company replaced it [under warranty], but I would never have had my images again if not for other backups. [Apparently there are ways to retrieve information, but it gets expensive.]
Glad my comments have been helpful! br br I canno... (show quote)


Excellent advice, 100% agree. I would also add a little warning of my own. Don't rely on a raid configuration as your only backup either. I used a raid drive configured with data split and backed up over three drives and the actual raid controller PCB failed and I could not rebuild the data without it. Fortunately I had a separate backup.

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Feb 7, 2018 11:42:50   #
UKnomad Loc: England
 
Thanks again Susan :)

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Feb 7, 2018 11:59:53   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
bengbeng wrote:
Excellent advice, 100% agree. I would also add a little warning of my own. Don't rely on a raid configuration as your only backup either. I used a raid drive configured with data split and backed up over three drives and the actual raid controller PCB failed and I could not rebuild the data without it. Fortunately I had a separate backup.

I researched the use of RAID configurations and asked a few questions - my conclusion was that I did not need it for my particular volume of images. As you found out, using RAID systems has its own problems, requiring an understanding of the pros and cons of using the different ones. Multiple individual backups works for me, and it was good that you had a separate backup not in the RAID system!

Not entirely sure how the pros do it, but I suspect they have multiple individual RAID configurations so that if one fails there are others from which the data can be recovered. They have too many images to rely on one RAID setup!

Susan

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