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Feb 1, 2018 11:17:46   #
billgdyoung Loc: Big Bear City, CA
 
this image was taken with iPhone... don't know the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO... just shot thru the wind shield. Why the horizontal lines? Something to do with the way the phone's shutter or sensor scans?



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Feb 1, 2018 11:22:16   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
billgdyoung wrote:
this image was taken with iPhone... don't know the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO... just shot thru the wind shield. Why the horizontal lines? Something to do with the way the phone's shutter or sensor scans?


Easy peasy. One Google search and presto. Now all you have to do is follow the link and look through the material. Total time to find about 30 seconds.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:25:06   #
TonyBot
 
The phone has no "shutter" as it is scanning continuously (or nearly so), so it is quite probably that the lines are similar to the artifacts you get when you wave your hand with open fingers in front of the TV screen. Or it could be that the windshield and the camera/lens are each, as a result of manufacturing processes, just slightly polarized, and in odd directions. (Ever look out of your car's side windows with polarized lenses? Even though it side window is not "polarized", there are still artifacts attributable to way they are made.)
Of course, my non-technical guesses could be way off.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:27:46   #
d3200prime
 
billgdyoung wrote:
this image was taken with iPhone... don't know the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO... just shot thru the wind shield. Why the horizontal lines? Something to do with the way the phone's shutter or sensor scans?


This issue appears, to me, to be caused by to low of a shutter speed. You need a very high shutter speed to stop motion on plane propellers. A cell phone camera is not fit to stop action of fast moving objects. Just my two cents worth. Good shooting to you.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:34:23   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
billgdyoung wrote:
this image was taken with iPhone... don't know the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO... just shot thru the wind shield. Why the horizontal lines? Something to do with the way the phone's ashutter or sensor scans?

The important search phrase is "rolling shutter"; current 'electronic shutters' read the sensor one line at a time, and motion effects like this are common, and will be common until electronics reaches the point where 'global shutters' can be implemented.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:34:44   #
billgdyoung Loc: Big Bear City, CA
 
d3200prime wrote:
This issue appears, to me, to be caused by to low of a shutter speed. You need a very high shutter speed to stop motion on plane propellers. A cell phone camera is not fit to stop action of fast moving objects. Just my two cents worth. Good shooting to you.


I agree...but why the horizontal lines... the prop is going in circles....btw, the engine was running about 2500rpm

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Feb 1, 2018 11:46:19   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
d3200prime wrote:
This issue appears, to me, to be caused by to low of a shutter speed. You need a very high shutter speed to stop motion on plane propellers. A cell phone camera is not fit to stop action of fast moving objects. Just my two cents worth. Good shooting to you.


You don't want too high a shutter speed. A photo with the propellers 'stopped' looks unnatural, and very strange...

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Feb 1, 2018 12:06:50   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
also look out for rolling shutter with an electronic shutter and fast moving objects.

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Feb 1, 2018 12:16:58   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
billgdyoung wrote:
this image was taken with iPhone... don't know the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO... just shot thru the wind shield. Why the horizontal lines? Something to do with the way the phone's shutter or sensor scans?


It’s caused by an electronic shutter where a DSLR uses a mechanical shutter.

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Feb 1, 2018 13:04:08   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
billgdyoung wrote:
I agree...but why the horizontal lines... the prop is going in circles....btw, the engine was running about 2500rpm

Because it records horizontal lines only and does not go up down repetitively as a video would (giving you the slow motion blade effect).

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Feb 2, 2018 08:25:51   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
billgdyoung wrote:
this image was taken with iPhone... don't know the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO... just shot thru the wind shield. Why the horizontal lines? Something to do with the way the phone's shutter or sensor scans?


https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a18207/why-digital-pictures-of-propellers-look-so-weird-explained-in-one-gif/
http://resourcemagonline.com/2015/11/why-your-camera-makes-airplane-propellers-look-so-weird/60421/

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Feb 2, 2018 08:52:46   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Is this the same issue that occurs with shooting pictures of an old CRT television?

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Feb 2, 2018 10:06:44   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
BobHartung wrote:
Easy peasy. One Google search and presto. Now all you have to do is follow the link and look through the material. Total time to find about 30 seconds.


Easy peasy....If you don't want to answer a question, then move on to the next thread.
Places like UHH are made specifically for people to ask and answer questions. Maybe it's you that should be somewhere else.
Were you never a beginner? Why do you come here, other than to belittle people who come for knowledge?

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Feb 2, 2018 10:18:42   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
bkyser wrote:
Easy peasy....If you don't want to answer a question, then move on to the next thread.
Places like UHH are made specifically for people to ask and answer questions. Maybe it's you that should be somewhere else.
Were you never a beginner? Why do you come here, other than to belittle people who come for knowledge?


If you had gone the link he provided you would have found it was the best response given.

Your response answered nothing.

I'll guess you didn't actually look and learn.

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Feb 2, 2018 11:15:31   #
RichJ207 Loc: Sammamish, WA
 
BobHartung wrote:
Easy peasy. One Google search and presto. Now all you have to do is follow the link and look through the material. Total time to find about 30 seconds.


Bob & Jerryc41,

Perfect, succinct answers. Great to have you here as valuable resources for those who appreciate “just the facts”.

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