bdk
Loc: Sanibel Fl.
when my 810 hits 500,000 clicks i'll be looking at the 850 or 860 by then...
Rich1939 wrote:
Have you found the increase in pixels to be clearly beneficial IQ wise over the D810? Is there more to the camera to make it worthwhile upgrade over the D810? I can see where upgrading from a D610 or a D750 would be a quantum leap but this image size graphic shows the difference between the 810 and the 850 is kind of ho hum. I am looking to upgrade from a 610when I can and I guess I'm really looking for a reason to go to the 850 other than the pixel count.
White D850
Gray D810
Green D610/750
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Rich, here is a comparison chart of the D850-D810-D800/800E. Also the link to a review that the info came from.
https://photographylife.com/nikon-d850-vs-d810-vs-d800-d800e
D850 comparison Chart
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cjc2
Loc: Hellertown PA
karno wrote:
If you can wait for the availability the D850 is a no brainer, it will expand your abilities, a camera you can grow with. if you cannot wait d810 is a wonderful camera.
I am finding the d850 has an interesting look to its files, I am finding when used with Zeiss glass it resembles the Leica look of the m240 yet still retaining the Nikon attributes, which makes sense since towerjazz makes both these sensors. For me This in itself is worth the upgrade tenfold.
It is expected that, shortly, D850 availablity will normalize. From what I've been seeing, that's getting close. Best of luck.
Autofocus is great, burst rate for such a large sensor is awesome at 9fps. Those two alone are worth the price difference.
Dan R wrote:
... From looking at DXOMark, both the D750 and D810 have much better ISO scores. Am I missing anything? ...
I can't tell what is giving you that impression, though DXO does make their data hard to interpret. It is best to ignore their overall ratings and only look at raw data. Actually Bill Claff's site has the easiest to access data and the best explanations too.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htmThe info you want to compare are ISO values that produce a useful dynamic range of 6.5 fstops. Claff calls that PDR, or Photographic Dynamic Range. It is slightly arbitrary and you might want to read what he says about it. Keep in mind that doubling the ISO is a full fstop, so at ISO 4000 a difference of even 500 to 600 is insignificant. Here are some numbers:
D750 ... 4075
D810 ... 3439
D850 ... 4115
The D810 is the least capable, but not significantly. That is right at 1/3rd of an fstop. The D750 is next, but it is only a 24 MP sensor too. The D850 is best for low light, and of course is far more of a camera in virtually every other way.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
Apaflo wrote:
I can't tell what is giving you that impression, though DXO does make their data hard to interpret. It is best to ignore their overall ratings and only look at raw data. Actually Bill Claff's site has the easiest to access data and the best explanations too.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htmThe info you want to compare are ISO values that produce a useful dynamic range of 6.5 fstops. Claff calls that PDR, or Photographic Dynamic Range. It is slightly arbitrary and you might want to read what he says about it. Keep in mind that doubling the ISO is a full fstop, so at ISO 4000 a difference of even 500 to 600 is insignificant. Here are some numbers:
D750 ... 4075
D810 ... 3439
D850 ... 4115
The D810 is the least capable, but not significantly. That is right at 1/3rd of an fstop. The D750 is next, but it is only a 24 MP sensor too. The D850 is best for low light, and of course is far more of a camera in virtually every other way too.
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DxO scores are very easy to interpret. "Sports" score is lowest ISO where Dynamic Range falls below arbitrary value or Color Depth falls below arbitrary value or Noise rises above arbitrary value. For the values they always use, those more inclusive drop off points are
D750 ... 2956
D810 ... 2853
D850 ... 2660
These are not ambiguous figures - clearly the D850 comes in last, and based on test you reported, noise could easily be the factor dragging the D850 down.
Rich, good question. Just traded up from my 610 to the 850. Quantum Leap for all the reasons that are being listed. Don't foget you need massive size storage and fast cards!
Just go out spend the money and put a big smile on your face!
Factsbob
karno
Loc: Chico ,California
All of these numbers seem a bit ambiguous, I do a lot of nightscape stuff and I am getting much better results with d850 then the d810.
rehess wrote:
DxO scores are very easy to interpret. "Sports" score is lowest ISO where Dynamic Range falls below arbitrary value or Color Depth falls below arbitrary value or Noise falls below arbitrary value. For the values they always use, those more inclusive drop off points are
D750 ... 2956
D810 ... 2853
D850 ... 2660
These are not ambiguous figures - clearly the D850 comes in last, and based on test you reported, noise could easily be the factor dragging the D850 down.
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See what I mean by hard to interpret! The D850 has the
best low light ability of those three cameras. The D750 is better than the D810.
If you look up the DxO raw data, rather than go by their "scores", they have numbers much the same as those from Bill Claff.
Camera ... Claff ... DxO
D750 ....... 4075 ... 4081
D810 ....... 3439 ... 3565
D850 ....... 4115 ... 4396
The numbers are ISO for a 6.5 fstop useful dynamic range and
larger ISO numbers indicate lower noise.
The D850 as measured by either Bill Claff or DxO has the lowest noise of those three cameras.
Another reliable source is Nasim Mansurov at photographylife.com who does not give exact measured results but says the D850 is clearly better at ISO 3200 and just widens the gap at even higher ISO values.
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