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Jan 23, 2018 05:42:57   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
You can buy annuities that guarantee that rate. That’s why I picked it.

If you’ll pardon me, you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s not the rate, but the compounding, drawing interest upon interest.

I didn’t say you couldn’t buy then now, you can, and they do. But put a 100 billion at interest for a few or several years and you outstrip small nations, and power and corruption follows.


No....it’s you hat has no idea what I’m talking about.

So, how do you guarantee that you are the only person in the world gaining wealth?

Your buying Congress argument relies on you becoming much richer than everyone else.

Without that piece, your argument falls apart.

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Jan 23, 2018 06:02:12   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
There were wealthy people before, some of them very wealthy, but they didn’t create a permanent super-wealthy class. That’s what is happening now.

We might be doing a smidge better than pre-revolutionary France,, but we’ve laid the foundation on both ends—increasing poverty and financial insecurity on one side, and a permanent super-wealthy class on the other. Won’t happen while I’m around—I’m 78 years old, but we’re building serious trouble.


I’ll give you that poverty is increasing....but it is in spite of government policy, not because of it. We have more social programs and opportunity to learn and grow earning potential than ever...but we not only condone being lazy and poor but we encourage it. We teach our children (some of us, especially the poor) that their failure in life is the fault of someone else and that we are not responsibie for our own well being. We teach them that they are guaranteed equal outcome, not equal opportunity. That is what will bring us to revolution....if it hasn’t already.

There is plenty of wealth to go around....if you’re willing to go get it. The problem is that too many of us expect it to be delivered to us. That’s NEVER going to be sustainable. We are already at critical mass, with nearly half of income earners contributing no tax or “negative” tax (paying zero and getting refundable tax credits to boot).https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/

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Jan 23, 2018 08:18:07   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
Twardlow wrote:
'World's richest 1% get 82% of the wealth', says Oxfam
By Katie Hope
BBC News, Davos

The gap between the super rich and the rest of the world widened last year as wealth continued to be owned by a small minority, Oxfam has claimed.

Some 82% of money generated last year went to the richest 1% of the global population while the poorest half saw no increase at all, the charity said.

Oxfam said its figures - which critics have queried - showed a failing system.

It blamed tax evasion, firms' influence on policy, erosion of workers' rights, and cost cutting for the widening gap.

Oxfam has produced similar reports for the past five years. In 2017 it calculated that the world's eight richest individuals had as much wealth as the poorest half of the world.

This year, it said 42 people now had as much wealth as the poorest half, but it revised last year's figure to 61. Oxfam said the revision was due to improved data and said the trend of "widening inequality" remained.

'Unacceptable'

Oxfam chief executive Mark Goldring said its constant readjustment of the figures reflected the fact that the report was based "on the best data available at the time".

"However you look at it, this is an unacceptable level of inequality," he said.

Oxfam's report coincides with the start of the World Economic Forum in Davos, a Swiss ski resort. The annual conference attracts many of the world's top political and business leaders.

Inequality typically features high on the agenda, but Mr Goldring said that too often "tough talk fades away at the first resistance".


Analysis by Anthony Reuben, BBC Reality Check

It's really hard working out how much wealth the super-rich and the very poor have.

The super-rich tend not to publicise their worth and many of the world's poorest countries keep poor statistics.

To illustrate that, this time last year, Oxfam told us that eight individuals have as much wealth as the poorest half of the world's population. Now it has revised that figure to 61 people for last year, falling to 42 people this year - that's a pretty big revision.

And there are other caveats around the data on which all this is based, such as that the people on the list with the lowest wealth are not necessarily poor at all - they may be highly qualified professionals with large amounts of student debt, for example, or people with high incomes but enormous mortgages.

But whether it's eight people, 42 people or 61 people who have the same wealth as half of the world, there is still great wealth inequality around the world, which is the message Oxfam is taking to Davos.

The charity is urging a rethink of business models, arguing their focus on maximising shareholder returns over broader social impact is wrong.

It said there was "huge support" for action with two thirds (72%) of 70,000 people it surveyed in ten countries saying they wanted their governments to "urgently address the income gap between rich and poor".

But Mark Littlewood, director general at free market think tank The Institute of Economic Affairs, said Oxfam was becoming "obsessed with the rich rather than the poor".

"Higher taxes and redistribution will do nothing to help the poor; wealth is not a fixed pie. Richer people are also highly taxed people - reducing their wealth won't lead to redistribution, it will destroy it to the benefit of no one," he added.

It was a criticism echoed by Sam Dumitriu, head of research at another free market think tank - the Adam Smith Institute - who said the charity's inequality stats "always paint the wrong picture".

"In reality, global inequality has fallen massively over the past few decades.

"As China, India and Vietnam embraced neoliberal reforms that enforce property rights, reduce regulations and increase competition, the world's poorest have received a massive pay rise leading to a more equal global income distribution."

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42745853


Emphasis added by irate Poster!
b 'World's richest 1% get 82% of the wealth', say... (show quote)

Doesn't change the way I live. I still have my dinky 2 bedroom townhome and drive this P.O.S. Hyundai Elantra. At least it made mom proud sporting MD plates



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Jan 23, 2018 10:48:40   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Sjfh wrote:
No....it’s you hat has no idea what I’m talking about.

So, how do you guarantee that you are the only person in the world gaining wealth?

Your buying Congress argument relies on you becoming much richer than everyone else.

Without that piece, your argument falls apart.


I have no idea what you’re saying here. Let’s drop it.

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Jan 23, 2018 10:50:00   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Sjfh wrote:
I’ll give you that poverty is increasing....but it is in spite of government policy, not because of it. We have more social programs and opportunity to learn and grow earning potential than ever...but we not only condone being lazy and poor but we encourage it. We teach our children (some of us, especially the poor) that their failure in life is the fault of someone else and that we are not responsibie for our own well being. We teach them that they are guaranteed equal outcome, not equal opportunity. That is what will bring us to revolution....if it hasn’t already.

There is plenty of wealth to go around....if you’re willing to go get it. The problem is that too many of us expect it to be delivered to us. That’s NEVER going to be sustainable. We are already at critical mass, with nearly half of income earners contributing no tax or “negative” tax (paying zero and getting refundable tax credits to boot).https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/
I’ll give you that poverty is increasing....but it... (show quote)


Let’s drop it. You have no idea what I’m saying, and I have no idea what you are trying to say, and besides that I’m bored talking to you.

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Jan 23, 2018 10:50:31   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
I have no idea what you’re saying here. Let’s drop it.


Thats the first step....admitting you have a problem.

It’s not a difficult concept. But you’re excused.

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Jan 23, 2018 10:52:10   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
Doesn't change the way I live. I still have my dinky 2 bedroom townhome and drive this P.O.S. Hyundai Elantra. At least it made mom proud sporting MD plates


Doesn’t change the way you live, right. And it won’t. I assume you are ‘mature,’ and this is a longer term development in the terms of a person’s life.

However, it will change the nation after you and I are gone, will change it fundamentally.

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Jan 23, 2018 10:54:47   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Sjfh wrote:
Thats the first step....admitting you have a problem.

It’s not a difficult concept. But you’re excused.


You always have the perspective that you are superior, when you wading in the weeds on this, wandering confused and uninformed with no idea of what I’m talking about and no ability to explain yourself.

Ignorance is bliss, but I don’t care to share it with you.

Have a great life.

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Jan 23, 2018 10:56:09   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
Let’s drop it. You have no idea what I’m saying, and I have no idea what you are trying to say, and besides that I’m bored talking to you.


I know what you’re saying. I suspect I also know what you would like to say but are not expressing it properly. Either way, what you have said is over-simplified and illogical. For your example to be valid, it requires that the wealth of everyone in the world remain constant with the exception of your fictional person. That’s not possible.

But, if that’s too difficult for you, I absolutely understand.

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Jan 23, 2018 10:57:12   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
You always have the perspective that you are superior, when you wading in the weeds on this, wandering confused and uninformed with no idea of what I’m talking about and no ability to explain yourself.

Ignorance is bliss, but I don’t care to share it with you.

Have a great life.

Says the quitter.

Whatever strokes your ego.

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Jan 23, 2018 11:02:53   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Sjfh wrote:
I know what you’re saying. I suspect I also know what you would like to say but are not expressing it properly. Either way, what you have said is over-simplified and illogical. For your example to be valid, it requires that the wealth of everyone in the world remain constant with the exception of your fictional person. That’s not possible.

But, if that’s too difficult for you, I absolutely understand.


You understand nothing. Drop it.

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Jan 23, 2018 11:03:56   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
You understand nothing. Drop it.


If you declare it so, it’s clearly true.

Whatever strokes your ego.

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Jan 23, 2018 12:37:01   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Twardlow wrote:
Doesn’t change the way you live, right. And it won’t. I assume you are ‘mature,’ and this is a longer term development in the terms of a person’s life.

However, it will change the nation after you and I are gone, will change it fundamentally.

Hey Twardlow, you keep talking like Chicken Little, the World is about to end, with things getting worse and worser. New York Times columnist Nicolas Kristoff wrote an article two weeks ago where he declared "2017 was the best year in Human History." Things are happening all around us that are making the planet better, and it all goes unnoticed by the people who watch 24 hour news networks that only portray the bad stuff. I, for one, feel privileged to be living in what can only be described as a "Golden Age" of human history.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/2017-progress-illiteracy-poverty.html
http://www.myajc.com/news/opinion/opinion-why-2017-was-best-year-human-history/eQD3PQRdKSYuptXjXiCJCP/

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Jan 23, 2018 12:51:58   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Hey Twardlow, you keep talking like Chicken Little, the World is about to end, with things getting worse and worser. New York Times columnist Nicolas Kristoff wrote an article two weeks ago where he declared "2017 was the best year in Human History." Things are happening all around us that are making the planet better, and it all goes unnoticed by the people who watch 24 hour news networks that only portray the bad stuff. I, for one, feel privileged to be living in what can only be described as a "Golden Age" of human history.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/2017-progress-illiteracy-poverty.html
http://www.myajc.com/news/opinion/opinion-why-2017-was-best-year-human-history/eQD3PQRdKSYuptXjXiCJCP/
Hey Twardlow, you keep talking like Chicken Little... (show quote)


And once again, you are wrong and don’t get it. Yes, Nick said we’ve made progress on human freedom and health, etc. You did read the article, didn’t you?

And you dishonestly claim I’m saying the world is about to end; not so. And you know better, don’t you? I don’t say anything like that, if you can read.

What I do say, is that the US is in decline, perhaps permanent decline, perhaps manageable decline that can be corrected, but we’re losing world political leadership and probably economic leadership (to China), and that is documented.

I also say we are laying the foundation for a two-tier society of the super-wealthy versus those in permanent and debilitating poverty; can you doubt it?

BTW, I hate to break into your glee, but the issues I talk about aren’t seen on Cable TV news shows. I have seen only Leon Panetts addressing the issue of US decline, and no one seems aware of the ramifications of the new tax law and the last 30 years of republican building nirvana for the investing class and disaster for the working class.

Try to stay informed, and try also to speak accurately. Truth starts with accuracy.

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Jan 23, 2018 13:32:45   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Twardlow wrote:
And once again, you are wrong and don’t get it. Yes, Nick said we’ve made progress on human freedom and health, etc. You did read the article, didn’t you?

And you dishonestly claim I’m saying the world is about to end; not so. And you know better, don’t you? I don’t say anything like that, if you can read.

What I do say, is that the US is in decline, perhaps permanent decline, perhaps manageable decline that can be corrected, but we’re losing world political leadership and probably economic leadership (to China), and that is documented.

I also say we are laying the foundation for a two-tier society of the super-wealthy versus those in permanent and debilitating poverty; can you doubt it?

BTW, I hate to break into your glee, but the issues I talk about aren’t seen on Cable TV news shows. I have seen only Leon Panetts addressing the issue of US decline, and no one seems aware of the ramifications of the new tax law and the last 30 years of republican building nirvana for the investing class and disaster for the working class.

Try to stay informed, and try also to speak accurately. Truth starts with accuracy.
And once again, you are wrong and don’t get it. Y... (show quote)

"Truth starts with accuracy." Well, let's see.

The Black unemployment rate is at an all-time low since they started recording this in 1972.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-falls-to-lowest-level-on-record/?utm_term=.f6efc3c3f520

The Hispanic unemployment rate is also at an all-time low.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jan/08/donald-trump/how-accurate-donald-trumps-about-black-hispa/

The number of unarmed Black men killed by police has been cut in half over the last two years. Same goes for all races.
https://thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/

The U.S. Gross Domestic Product has increased to over 3% growth for the first time in 12 years.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/12-years-gdp-grew-3-3-straight-quarters

Consumer confidence is at a 17 year high.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/27/news/economy/us-consumer-confidence/index.html

Thousands of businesses (including the dreaded Walmart) are giving raises and cash bonuses to their employees.

Isis has been routed in the Middle-East.
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-military-defeat-iraq-syria-2017-11


Is this too much good news for you??

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