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Jan 20, 2018 21:01:36   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I was fortunate enough to find a local class. If you can find anything locally with a live instructor of whom you can ask questions it'll go a lot easier for you. One thing you'll learn is that if one way of doing something then having 4 or 5 ways to do are better in Lightroom. Remember, if you want to find your images go to the Library tab. If you want to process them go to the Develop tab. Once you figure out those two things it gets a lot easier.

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Jan 20, 2018 21:22:52   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Jrhoffman75 wrote:
Before you start using Lightroom you need to create a file system that works for you.

Do you want:

the year to be the top folder and events spepararte folders in it, like Family, Vacations, Christmas, etc or do you prefer

Family-> 2018, 2017, 2016 etc.
Vacations-> 2018, 2017, 2016 etc. and so on.

You need a system that works for you outside of Lightroom.

Once you have a system set up you can either download files from your camera/card into those folders through the computer operating system and then import into LR or you can have LR download the files from your camera/card into the computer and then import into LR. When you import into LR all you are doing is telling LR and the LR catalog system where your files are. It is imperative that you know how to find your files without LR.
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Wrong. You learn to use the keyword function during import then you make use of Collections. For example, tag all those shots from the latest family get together with the keyword "FAMily" then make a quick collection that finds all pictures tagged family. Two easy steps and it's all done for you. No messing with folders inside folders. You need to learn to use the ingenious tool you have.

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Jan 20, 2018 21:32:26   #
Jrhoffman75 Loc: Conway, New Hampshire
 
At which point you are locked into Lightroom. I want to control my environment, not have it control me.

But, if that works for you go for it.

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Jan 20, 2018 21:34:34   #
CaltechNerd Loc: Whittier, CA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
http://www.jkost.com

Julieanne Kost is Adobe's master trainer. She knows Lightroom better than any other trainer outside of Adobe. Her videos can walk you through the entire application and show you what the tools can do.

Adobe also has some of her videos on their site, as does Lynda.com.

Tony Northrup has an excellent video tutorial series, too:

https://northrup.photo/product/lr/

I can't stand the way Scott Kelby writes, or I'd recommend his stuff, too.

Pay particular attention to the STRUCTURES you put in place to house and organize your images. Remember, when you "import" an image, it stays where it is. Lightroom Classic CC simply stores a LINK to it in its CATALOG (which is really a database of sorts). Make sure you move all your images off of your camera's SD or CF card, onto a drive that will remain their resting place, at least until you're done with them. That will help LR maintain its links.

Lightroom never changes an original image, whether it is a raw file or a JPEG or TIFF image file. You are always looking at a freshly-generated PROXY image. The catalog database "saves" (stores) your changes automatically, just like any database you may be familiar with. The only time those changes actually are applied to the file is when you EXPORT a copy of it, PRINT a copy of it, or POST a copy of it to a web site.
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CORRECTION: Lightroom has TWO DIFFERENT options for importing.
Option 1: Pictures stay where they are and the Lightroom catalog points to them (and remembers any PP you do to them).
Option 2: Lightroom copies the picture to a standard area and organizes them the way you tell it to.

I use Option 2, Let Lightroom read my camera chip and place them in the designated storage spots. Organizing by subject makes sense to me, but my better half gets multiple subjects on the same day, and doesn't really understand how I understand subjects, so we let Lightroom create folders by date. Then you can add keywords to individual shots, or you can rename the folder, so that it has the date followed by a subject description. Sounds dumb but we both understand what we've done and it avoids fights :-)

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Jan 21, 2018 03:47:40   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
Red Sky At Night wrote:
OMG, I've been muddling through the trial subscription of LR for 3 days and I am making very little progress. Yes, I've listened to many of the tutorials. Is there something one of you could recommend for a new beginner? I have managed to import a few photos. One I even love! BUT I want to import more. And I think I'm doing everything I'm supposed to but then I can't find them. Where did they go? What am I doing wrong? Many thanks! (Should probably add that I am using Lightroom Classic CC.)
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this: If you want to find out where your original file is, just right-click on the image or a thumbnail, and there will be an entry on the pop-up menu that locates the file for you. On Mac, this menu item is "Show in Finder", so it will open up a Finder window on the folder where your file is.

Seems to be a lot of confusion over Import as well. For importing from a camera (card or via usb connection), you always want to COPY to your hard drive. The question is, where does the copy go? When you start the import by choosing the Import Photos and Videos menu item, or by pressing the Import... button in the lower left pane in Library mode, the Import dialog takes over. On the right-hand panel of this dialog, there is a bunch of stuff governing where the copies go (Copy should be highlighted in the top middle of the entire dialog), you can specify a directory to automatically make a backup copy (very handy), and there is a Destination sub-panel that you open by clicking on the little triangle, which reveals a way to navigate to any folder on any of your attached hard drives; whatever folder is highlighted is where the copies will go, but you are free to choose any other folder you can navigate to.

This is all great, except that you have to manually create separate sub-directories for backup copies, otherwise everything will get dumped into one folder, and you won't be able to find anything. I started using PhotoMechanic to import my photos, it lets me mirror my directory structure for originals into the backup directory, and gives me a lot of powerful tools to rename and place things that LR lacks; it also has a much better system for editing metadata, is very well thought-out.

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Jan 21, 2018 05:36:56   #
Haydon
 
Check out Anthony Morganti's FREE videos. He' explains concisely and simplistically to get you started.

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Jan 21, 2018 12:18:29   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
10MPlayer wrote:
Wrong. You learn to use the keyword function during import then you make use of Collections. For example, tag all those shots from the latest family get together with the keyword "FAMily" then make a quick collection that finds all pictures tagged family. Two easy steps and it's all done for you. No messing with folders inside folders. You need to learn to use the ingenious tool you have.

I really cringe on that advice. Yes, keywords and collections are extremely useful but there can be issues with dumping all of your images into a single folder the way it sounds like you're suggesting. I haven't seen a single expert or even Adobe who advocates tossing out folder organization. Even just using the date taken to split up folders is better than no organization at all... though what you suggest will certainly work.

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Jan 21, 2018 19:18:34   #
Red Sky At Night
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Forget the tutorials and get one of the books, such as Scott Kelby's.

Tutorials and YouTube videos can be fine to learn a specific technique or task, but I find a good reference book invaluable to learn a complex new program quickly. It's most certainly an overwhelming task to try to teach via a forum! In fact, I usually recommend buying the book and at least doing a quick read of it BEFORE starting a trial subscription, to get the best out of the 30 days you have to test drive the software. Too late for that now, so just scramble and buy a book, use a fast shipping option and get busy studying it ASAP.

To get you started locating your images, first you'll need to know where they are on your computer.

1. Go to LR's Library Module and click on Import Images.
2. LR will look for a memory card, but in the upper left corner of the import dialog box you'll see a list including "other location". Click that.
3. Another box with a map of your computer will open... use that to locate the images and tell LR where to import from.

You actually don't need LR to move your images to your computer from your memory card. You can do that easily with your computer's operating system, copying the images into folders you create yourself. Then you do the LR Import as a separate function, as described above.

But by default LR will start up and try to Import images any time you insert a memory card into the computer. I turn this off, but it's also possible to just cancel it, do the copying of the files from memory card to computer as described instead.

If you let it, LR also will automatically create folders where it will place the Imported images. This may be somewhere other than where you've been putting your images, and the folders may be named differently that what you usually do.

LR doesn't actually "contain" your images... it creates a thumbnail and data set that it associates with the original image file, which can be anywhere on your computer or even on an external drive, the "cloud" or whatever.

Hopefully this will help you get started.... but you still need the book because there's A LOT more to learn and not much time to do so!

Hint: If using a Windows PC while working within LR, one of the most powerful "tools" is a "right click". Many places throughout the program that will call up a menu that allows you to initiate some action. In the Library module, if a file or folder is grayed out and there's a question mark next to it, that means LR is unable to find it for some reason. Might be that you moved it using something other than LR.But a right click on the grayed out file or folder will open a short menu that includes "locate missing file/folder". Click on that and a dialog box opens.

Another example, in the Develop module, after working on an image you can right click on it and another menu will pop up that includes several possible actions including "send to another software (such as Photoshop)" or "export image", . Choosing "export" opens the export dialog box which has a large number of options to be set, such as how big to make the image, quality, whether to add a watermark and more. It also may you specify if the exported file is to be sent to a folder on your computer or other destination (for example I have LR plug-ins that allow me to export directly to a couple sites online: Flickr and Exposure Manager).

There are also a number of time-saving keyboard shortcuts available, as well as little "arrows" or "triangles" scattered around LR that serve various functions (hide/show a panel of tools, header or film strip... or let you set up what navigation tools are displayed, etc.)

I haven't used a Mac in a couple decades, so am not sure how different they might be now. But I'm sure there is some means of doing much the same functions in LR.

P.S. LR really isn't intended to "finish" images to high quality. It's mostly a powerful organizer, cataloger and digital asset management program... with "lite", fast image editing tools to make "proof" quality output. It's designed to work hand-in-hand with Photoshop, which is the "Mac Daddy" of all image editors with minimal, "lite" organizing capabilities. If you subscribe, you'll get both. But if you think LR is intensive, just wait til you see Photoshop! It's probably 5X as complex and challenging to learn. In comparison, LR is a piece of cake to learn. So, just take it all one step at a time.

If it all gets too overwhelming or seems like way more than you need... you might want to do a trial of Adobe Elements. It's more of an "all in one" program and has a lot of built-in support (which both LR and PS completely lack). MUCH easier to just jump into Elements and start using it. But there are some good books (and tutorials, etc.) to help get up to speed quickly with Elements, too. (There are various plug-ins available for Elements, too... though not as many as there are for LR and PS).
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Thank you for taking the time to pass on all of this information. I wish the trial were 30 days but it is only 7 and I am almost out of time. Still, I can purchase a month and see. But such great information here. (Also from a lot of the other Hogs.) I am trying to eat this big elephant one bit at a time and I really appreciate your help.

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Jan 21, 2018 19:24:42   #
Red Sky At Night
 
table2 wrote:
Not sure I totally understand your problem. I open L/R, connect my XQD card to the computer, and click Import. After the Import finishes, the images are in L/R for me to edit and categorize as I choose.


Yep, that worked the first time. But haven't found a picture since the originals. That's all that's in there that I can find. Also, I downloaded from my camera to LR. Is that a no no?

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Jan 21, 2018 19:28:03   #
Red Sky At Night
 
thephotoman wrote:
Enjoy LR, it is very powerful and easy to use. There is a lot to learn and besides all of the free videos, there are many good books to buy as a reference. Scott Kelby produces books on LR and PS when you move into it. He writes very clearly and makes learning easy. He also will tell you this is my way but here are some others. The advice about 1 instructor is sound, at least until you have a solid knowledge base.
Also, there is a section devoted to post processing here on the hog. They are very helpful.
Good luck. Pm me if you have any questions.
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Thanks for telling me about the section on post processing. I didn't know it existed. Will check that out.

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Jan 21, 2018 23:29:53   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
sloscheider wrote:
I really cringe on that advice. Yes, keywords and collections are extremely useful but there can be issues with dumping all of your images into a single folder the way it sounds like you're suggesting. I haven't seen a single expert or even Adobe who advocates tossing out folder organization. Even just using the date taken to split up folders is better than no organization at all... though what you suggest will certainly work.


I don't dump everything into one folder. I let LIGHTROOM put them into a folder that's named by the date they were shot. Then I go back and rename that folder, in Lightroom to something specific to the shoot. Example: I import a folder that Lightroom calls 2018-01-21. Then I go back and call it "2018-01-21 Cosumnes Bird Sanctuary." On import I may tag them with something like Birds, Cosumnes, Nature etc. Then if I want to add them to a collection called Birds it's pretty easy. Sorry if it was confusing. I didn't want to go too deep into it because I'd end up writing a book about lightroom.

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Jan 30, 2018 08:19:38   #
Red Sky At Night
 
A huge thank you to everyone who gave me suggestions. Whoever suggested Lynda.com, it has been invaluable. I’m also learning from the other suggestions as well which is taking lots of time and has been very helpful. Mystery solved on lost imports. They really weren’t there! Discovered my error was using ADD instead of COPY. Not sure which tutorial made that light go off. Also discovered that my desktop is not showing most of the right panel when importing so have to figure out how to solve that. I am not able to see the destination panel. But I am on my way and very grateful to those of you who took the time to help.

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Jan 30, 2018 08:30:00   #
Jrhoffman75 Loc: Conway, New Hampshire
 
Panels can be opened and closed by clicking a little triangle at the very edge of the frame.

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Jan 30, 2018 09:48:37   #
Red Sky At Night
 
Jrhoffman75 wrote:
Panels can be opened and closed by clicking a little triangle at the very edge of the frame.


Thanks but unfortunately that isn’t the issue. What is happening is that only about a quarter of that right panel shows so it has to be an issue in the sizing or fit. And it’s still that way if I close the left panel. I still can only see about a quarter of the right panel.

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Jan 30, 2018 11:20:38   #
Jrhoffman75 Loc: Conway, New Hampshire
 
Try dragging the left edge to the left to enlarge the window

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