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Do NOT Fake It Till You Make It as a Photographer
Jan 11, 2018 08:55:46 #
Google search this one...
There was a MWAC here, (Mother with a camera)
After verifying this is not the same yet....
This Missy Mwac is now taken seriously as she is reaching all the miss-content who have had crap delivered to them by so-called photographer. She apparently has made her job to call out 'fakers' for a long time. UHH history shows that some UHH folks were not pleased with her posts, especially on youtube.
Missy Mwac wrote:
.../... And people, wanting to be helpful (because... (show quote)
There was a MWAC here, (Mother with a camera)
After verifying this is not the same yet....
This Missy Mwac is now taken seriously as she is reaching all the miss-content who have had crap delivered to them by so-called photographer. She apparently has made her job to call out 'fakers' for a long time. UHH history shows that some UHH folks were not pleased with her posts, especially on youtube.
Jan 11, 2018 17:07:50 #
Here is the link: https://petapixel.com/2018/01/08/not-fake-till-make-photographer/
Hate it when people, most of whom don’t know enough to give advice, advise the wanna-be photographer who is thinking about shooting a gig to “Go ahead! Do it!! You’ll be fine.”
Though there are exceptions, when I hear people say “I’m a natural-light photographer” the first thing I think is they don’t know how to light or use a flash. Or those who are ill-equipped by equipment and/or skill to do the job.
Or trying to fix things in post that should/could have easily been taken care of at the shoot.
When things go right everything’s ok.
Murphy lurks at every gig, but at weddings, he brings his whole family.
A pro is able to handle those times.
It’s also the job of the client to educate themselves to know what to look for, especially with so many fauxtographers out there promising the world.
I think it’s a matter of: You don’t know what you don’t know.
It’s hard to know when to say no if you don’t know enough to realize you could be in over your head.
Hate it when people, most of whom don’t know enough to give advice, advise the wanna-be photographer who is thinking about shooting a gig to “Go ahead! Do it!! You’ll be fine.”
Though there are exceptions, when I hear people say “I’m a natural-light photographer” the first thing I think is they don’t know how to light or use a flash. Or those who are ill-equipped by equipment and/or skill to do the job.
Or trying to fix things in post that should/could have easily been taken care of at the shoot.
When things go right everything’s ok.
Murphy lurks at every gig, but at weddings, he brings his whole family.
A pro is able to handle those times.
It’s also the job of the client to educate themselves to know what to look for, especially with so many fauxtographers out there promising the world.
I think it’s a matter of: You don’t know what you don’t know.
It’s hard to know when to say no if you don’t know enough to realize you could be in over your head.
Jan 11, 2018 19:15:46 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Though there are exceptions, when I hear people say “I’m a natural-light photographer” the first thing I think is they don’t know how to light or use a flash.
And I'm ready for the exceptions, like the wedding I shot (for free, because they had no way to hire a pro) where flash photography was out of the question due to someone's health condition. I don't have my advanced MILC in my bag just so I can keep it there all the time in between shooting birds and flowers. And yes, I do keep a fresh set of batteries in my flashes and know where they are.
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Jan 12, 2018 07:16:07 #
Jeffcs
Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
Unfortunately and not just photography business all walks of life has people "faking it" and so many perspective clients don't want to pay for seasoned professionals!
So who's at fault the "fakes" or the chepo clients? For this reason I won't shoot a wedding for less than $3500 and I also won't give the digital negatives.
So who's at fault the "fakes" or the chepo clients? For this reason I won't shoot a wedding for less than $3500 and I also won't give the digital negatives.
Jan 12, 2018 07:35:30 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Here is the link: https://petapixel.com/2018/01/08... (show quote)
Given that one of the more common human impulses is to give advice—and the inclination of forum users to solicit advice from an anonymous group of individuals about whom they know very little—it behooves the one seeking advice to evaluate the giver of the advice. Not always that easy to do.
Tripod questions are one example. The one seeking advice seems to be seeking validation of a decision to purchase an item, without consideration of the “science” involved.
Part of why people cede these decisions to others is that they are unaccustomed to making decisions for themselves after thinking it through. We have advertising and how it plays to human instinct to thank for that
Jan 12, 2018 08:09:55 #
n3eg wrote:
where flash photography was out of the question due to someone's health condition.
???
.... just curious.
Jan 12, 2018 09:08:13 #
You have seen the mucical The Music Man
Most people are bluffing all the time
From photography to construction
How many people do you talk to that know everything?
Just for the record I'm a "natural light guy" because I don't have flashes lol. It gets me out of taking portraits for my wife's freinds. I would say without a flash and lighting a cell phone will be better for indoor group photos and portraits
$3500 sounds like a lot for a starting point for a wedding. Never looked into it.
Must be a lot of guests.
Most people are bluffing all the time
From photography to construction
How many people do you talk to that know everything?
Just for the record I'm a "natural light guy" because I don't have flashes lol. It gets me out of taking portraits for my wife's freinds. I would say without a flash and lighting a cell phone will be better for indoor group photos and portraits
$3500 sounds like a lot for a starting point for a wedding. Never looked into it.
Must be a lot of guests.
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Jan 12, 2018 10:48:44 #
Jeffcs wrote:
Unfortunately and not just photography business all walks of life has people "faking it" and so many perspective clients don't want to pay for seasoned professionals!
So who's at fault the "fakes" or the cheapo clients? For this reason I won't shoot a wedding for less than $3500 and I also won't give the digital negatives.
So who's at fault the "fakes" or the cheapo clients? For this reason I won't shoot a wedding for less than $3500 and I also won't give the digital negatives.
Sometimes people living in poverty have weddings too. So it's not necessarily a case of being "cheapo", but simply of affordability. Of course, one can't expect spectacular results from a $50 wedding shoot.
Jan 12, 2018 10:50:26 #
dannac wrote:
???
.... just curious.
.... just curious.
Epilepsy (usually triggered by flashes used in quit succession).
Also folks who are really sensitive to brutal light change.
Jan 12, 2018 10:57:53 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Epilepsy (usually triggered by flashes used in quit succession).
Also folks who are really sensitive to brutal light change.
Also folks who are really sensitive to brutal light change.
Not everyone with Epliepsy is affected that way (flashing lights never bothered me), but it would be a bit disruptive to have a guest with a seizure during the wedding.
Jan 12, 2018 10:58:27 #
TheShoe
Loc: Lacey, WA
Rongnongno wrote:
Epilepsy (usually triggered by flashes used in quit succession).
Also folks who are really sensitive to brutal light change.
Also folks who are really sensitive to brutal light change.
Also someone with heliophobia.
Jan 12, 2018 11:02:50 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Here is the link: https://petapixel.com/2018/01/08... (show quote)
I call myself a natural light photographer not because I don't know how to use or have the equipment I pretty much have the equipment to light a auditorium but prefer natural light.
Jan 12, 2018 11:04:07 #
I'm a natural light photographer. There's art and skill necessary to employing natural light, so it has nothing to do with "not knowing how to light." And so I'm not sure why that's a deal breaker. The first photog I ever heard refer to himself that way shot Miles Davis and Mick Jagger, among others -- beautiful natural light portraits.
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Here is the link: https://petapixel.com/2018/01/08... (show quote)
Jan 12, 2018 11:10:33 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Not everyone with Epliepsy is affected that way (flashing lights never bothered me), but it would be a bit disruptive to have a guest with a seizure during the wedding.
You are correct but my experience is that light can start seizures more than anything else. This is far from being the only trigger, stress being another generic one.
And sorry to hear that. Epilepsy is a hard disease few understand. Once you have a seizure folks around you think you are crazy or something. I do not know if there has been an evolution on the perception of this disease but I have once dealt with a young woman who had an episode. All her 'friends' basically walked away from her after that. A****s. She was under heavy stress by the way, no light involved. She is also among the smartest person I know.
Jan 12, 2018 11:18:34 #
dhowland wrote:
I'm a natural light photographer. There's art and skill necessary to employing natural light, so it has nothing to do with "not knowing how to light." And so I'm not sure why that's a deal breaker. The first photog I ever heard refer to himself that way shot Miles Davis and Mick Jagger, among others -- beautiful natural light portraits.
Absolutely agree with you.
As I said, there are exceptions.
My contention is that some don't know how or when to use natural light or how it can be controlled.
I was assisting on a commercial shoot out in the Flint Hills for a national communications company .
Took three days to prep the site.
We rented a lighting truck and crew...it had been overcast all week and the shot had to be done on schedule, no matter what.
Shot a butt-load of polaroid tests to get everything just right.
Brought the spokesperson out shot a few more Polaroids.
After a few frames of film, the sun popped out.
The photog asked for all the lights to be shut off.
The images were stunning.
It rarely happens that way, but it does happen.
But a pro needs options to deliver good images, even if the situation changes.
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