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Dec 26, 2017 10:38:56   #
kmocabee
 
selmslie wrote:
Shadow and highlight detail is a feature of the negative or sensor, not the print.

Both a wet and a digital print can cover the range from maximum black to paper white. That depends on the quality of the paper and of the ink.

The difference is that you can capture a lot more information above middle gray with film. Digital blows out at about the top of Zone 8. Film can go a lot higher.

On the other hand, film blacks out at film base plus fog, about the bottom of Zone 1, whereas digital can go a little lower.

For more about this see Film vs. Digital Characteristic Curves.
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Great info and link. Very helpful. Thanks

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Dec 28, 2017 17:58:48   #
V-man
 
Bingo, ORpilot...and 'nuff said.

V-man
Everett, WA

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Jan 4, 2018 12:49:14   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
kmocabee wrote:
I got an offer for a 4x5 view camera and enlarger from a friend who offered to give them to me. I spent many hours in a darkroom in my youth, and while setting one up is appealing at a certain level, just developing the negs, and then scanning and printing would be far easier. I'm fairly accomplished with Lightroom and PS, so that is the way I'm leaning. Also, setting up a darkroom would be difficult in my house.

Anyone have any experience with scanning large format negs with a high-resolution scanner, and then printing? If so, what equipment do you recommend? thx
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i wet print my work, for black and white, in my darkroom. i see no reason to go through using a scanner when i use film and develop my own.

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Jan 4, 2018 14:01:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
clint f. wrote:
There is nothing like the thrill of an image emerging out of a pan of developer, however it is much harder to accomplish a good photographic print than to use a computer. In these days of instant gratification 99% of the photographers are unwilling or unable to justify the time it takes to make an analog print vs. a digital print. I suspect that most people looking at the final product care one way or the other.


And there’s nothing like watching an archivally permanent print emerge from a high-end Epson inkjet printer, either.

Digital photography isn’t much about instant gratification. It’s about efficient usage. More than 90% today’s of images are viewed ONLY on screens - smartphones, tablets, computers, and TV monitors or projectors.

I do training content development. Most of my work is on intranets within company firewalls. There, it exists as videos, PowerPoints, PDF files, and parts of eLearning modules.

Most of my personal work is shared on iPhones and iPads and computers.

Although I worked in a professional portrait color lab for decades, I make fewer than 25 prints per year. The print market is now tiny, compared to 1993. It has shrunk steadily since the dawn of the World Wide Web.

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Jan 4, 2018 17:11:17   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
[quote=burkphoto]And there’s nothing like watching an archivally permanent print emerge from a high-end Epson inkjet printer, either.

Digital photography isn’t much about instant gratification. It’s about efficient usage. More than 90% today’s of images are viewed ONLY on screens - smartphones, tablets, computers, and TV monitors or projectors.

You are right, though it’s probably closer to 99% go unprinted. I love digital prints and recognize the infinantly easier manipulation in color photos on a computer or in a frame, however I know that I’ll be hanging the print after taking the time to print it in a darkroom. Fortunately I have a more than adequate dark room for B&W printing. I find that I personally am more thoughtful when exposing film although I do take more “chances” with digital. Right tool for the right result. I’m pretty sure with you experience and expertise you didn’t switch to digital because it was harder, but because it fits your needs. Imagine trying to conduct your business with chemistry instead of 0’s and 1’s. Right tool for the right result.

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Jan 4, 2018 17:31:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
[quote=clint f.]
burkphoto wrote:
And there’s nothing like watching an archivally permanent print emerge from a high-end Epson inkjet printer, either.

Digital photography isn’t much about instant gratification. It’s about efficient usage. More than 90% today’s of images are viewed ONLY on screens - smartphones, tablets, computers, and TV monitors or projectors.

You are right, though it’s probably closer to 99% go unprinted. I love digital prints and recognize the infinantly easier manipulation in color photos on a computer or in a frame, however I know that I’ll be hanging the print after taking the time to print it in a darkroom. Fortunately I have a more than adequate dark room for B&W printing. I find that I personally am more thoughtful when exposing film although I do take more “chances” with digital. Right tool for the right result. I’m pretty sure with you experience and expertise you didn’t switch to digital because it was harder, but because it fits your needs. Imagine trying to conduct your business with chemistry instead of 0’s and 1’s. Right tool for the right result.
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Originally, the industry I was in (school portraiture) was all film-based. Herff Jones Photography Division started low resolution scanning for small prints in 1995, and switched to high-res scanning in 2001, along with mini-lab printing of portrait packages and other products. Over the same period, we closed one of our four labs. Then, between 2001 and 2008, we closed two other labs. Meanwhile, we were "eating smaller fish" — dealers with optical labs who wanted out (bankers would not finance digital transitions because they were too late). We went to full digital production with wet printing in 2007 (no more film). But the rise of social media, image sharing sites, the iPhone and other smartphones, and the recession killed our bottom line. Our parent company sold our division to Lifetouch (big kahuna of mass portraiture) in 2011. Now they have their own struggles... They closed our former lab in early 2015.

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