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Dec 22, 2017 11:03:48   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Nicely put!

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Dec 22, 2017 11:17:54   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
PatM wrote:
Good Afternoon
<snip> Believe me I am mortified at my stupidity. <snip>
Pat


It is a rare person indeed who has never made a stupid mistake. I myself have made legions. The mistake may be stupid, but the person does not have to be. Evidence of stupidity in the person (as opposed to the mistake) would be a) not recognizing the mistake, b) not learning from it, and/or c) believing it's the fault of someone/something else.

Good luck and keep learning!

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Dec 22, 2017 11:50:00   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
PatM wrote:
Good Afternoon
I have discovered in my learning process that I have propensity to try to take too many photos at too many different settings and ignoring my own advice to others to take first shot in auto. This has caused me to make my first very regrettable mistake.
In my zest to use Manual and be the greatest photographer of all time, I find now that I am accidentally enabling the timer on the camera and not recognizing the problem. Until now. In a previous post I had made a complaint about my photos being blurred and there were many good comments. Thank you to those who have tried to help. I think now that this has been one of my problems all along. Some will think and others will tell me how stupid that was to not recognize what I was doing. Believe me I am mortified at my stupidity.
By admitting to my errors Publicly I hope to take note and not make this elemental mistake again. It is somewhat humiliating.
Now that I have done this I do have a question and then a request.
Q: is there any way to repair the aforementioned photo. It is blurred by what we now know was movement of the camera. The photo was taken in jpg and highest level of raw the camera settings have. The photo is recognizable as what it is intended to be but has much blur. I can put it online but am waiting to see if any blurring due to camera movement can be repaired. I have photoshop and am software literate but no time using it.
Request: I know that the best way to learn is practice practice practice. But in your experience are there any things you did while you were a very novice photographer (I can’t even claim the title of “photographer” of any kind”) That you could pass along that would be helpful to avoid? Things to be careful not to do. Things you had done in error that could be avoided easily. You could send it in a private message if you would prefer.
Thank You all in advance.
Pat
Good Afternoon br I have discovered in my learnin... (show quote)


Pat, thank you for your honesty. There is no room in life for bullies. The fact is, even the very best are not perfect, but learn from their mistakes.
I am an experienced photographer but recently made a big mistake. I spent hundreds of dollars and a great deal of time to get to the Albuquerque balloon Fiesta. At three in the morning, while on the shuttle i did one final camera check. The camera quit. I had just started using a battery grip on my D810. I was unfamiliar with how to read remaining battery life. Marilyn said to me check your battery! I had panicked, thinking that my camera had failed and that I had lost the opportunity. as a precaution at major shoots, I always take my camera backpack with extra batteries, lenses and cleaning supplies. When we got to the venue O put in new batteries and the day was saved. One of the photos is now a finalist in an international photo contest. I now know how to check battery life with the grip attached. Had I not made that mistake and had the extra batteries, I could have had failure in another important shoot.

Be encouraged and know that you will have many learning experiences. Don't let bullies speak in to your life. Your sharing shows that you are on the road to becoming an excellent photographer.

Sorry, you can't recover your blurred photos, maybe you could make an artistic expression that used the blurred photos.

Have a blessed and merry Christmas


Rick

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Dec 22, 2017 12:02:02   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
Mistakes!!! Everyone makes them. I have found this helps me, to always check your camera settings every time you pick up your camera. One day I noticed my pictures seemed to be out of focus when I was looking thru the view finder even though the auto-focus was working. It seemed I some how turned the lens auto focus to manual. I now check that magic little switch ever time I pick up my camera. So don't be so hard on yourself. Shoot and enjoy your craft. Happy shooting.

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Dec 22, 2017 13:01:39   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
One nice thing about digital is that the EXIF data is stored with each photo so that when you open it in say Ligthroom you can see the settings used to shoot the shot. On my cameras you can also review the shooting parameters as part of the review of images on the rear LCD while you are out in the field shooting. To me making sure that you stop motion with a fast enough shutter speed and get things in focus are important things to learn how to do no matter what mode you are shooting in on the camera. 1/100 may be fast enough to stop motion and get sharp images with shorter lenses, say 20-85mm in focal length. For longer focal lengths or if you are shaky you may need faster shutter speeds of course. There is nothing wrong with shooting at 1/200 or faster as long as you can get a proper exposure. I often shoot at 1/1000 to 1/2000 when shooting moving cars or trains and people playing sports. But high shutter speed can be hard to shoot when you are indoors or it is cloudy outside. I would also suggest you learn to use Back Button Focus if your camera can be set up that way. It will seem strange at first but once you get used to it you will probably use it most of the time. And keep shooting away...it only costs you time and some storage space to practice and learn...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


AzPicLady wrote:
Pat, there are two basic elements to photography. One is equipment and the other is your own eye and brain. I usually tell beginners to shoot A LOT and keep track of all the particulars of each shot. Then compare the results carefully and remember what worked best. Eventually knowing how to shoot something will become second nature. The second is harder to develop if it doesn't come naturally. It's also very personal. Getting professional critique on your images as you go will help. Being blatantly objective about what you "like" and "don't like" in your own work and other's work will help you develop interests and styles that work for you.
Pat, there are two basic elements to photography. ... (show quote)

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Dec 22, 2017 13:04:22   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
PatM wrote:
Good Afternoon
I have discovered in my learning process that I have propensity to try to take too many photos at too many different settings and ignoring my own advice to others to take first shot in auto. This has caused me to make my first very regrettable mistake.
In my zest to use Manual and be the greatest photographer of all time, I find now that I am accidentally enabling the timer on the camera and not recognizing the problem. Until now. In a previous post I had made a complaint about my photos being blurred and there were many good comments. Thank you to those who have tried to help. I think now that this has been one of my problems all along. Some will think and others will tell me how stupid that was to not recognize what I was doing. Believe me I am mortified at my stupidity.
By admitting to my errors Publicly I hope to take note and not make this elemental mistake again. It is somewhat humiliating.
Now that I have done this I do have a question and then a request.
Q: is there any way to repair the aforementioned photo. It is blurred by what we now know was movement of the camera. The photo was taken in jpg and highest level of raw the camera settings have. The photo is recognizable as what it is intended to be but has much blur. I can put it online but am waiting to see if any blurring due to camera movement can be repaired. I have photoshop and am software literate but no time using it.
Request: I know that the best way to learn is practice practice practice. But in your experience are there any things you did while you were a very novice photographer (I can’t even claim the title of “photographer” of any kind”) That you could pass along that would be helpful to avoid? Things to be careful not to do. Things you had done in error that could be avoided easily. You could send it in a private message if you would prefer.
Thank You all in advance.
Pat
Good Afternoon br I have discovered in my learnin... (show quote)

Pat, I'm going to make a suggestion here. Listen to what your camera is doing. If you don't hear the shutter click when you depress the shutter button, then you have likely changed a setting in your menu. If your shutter clicks or activates late, suspect that you have gotten into a timed release mode.

Check your menu and get it off of timed release.

I've worked with someone who changes this setting constantly in her camera. I suggested that she write down the steps to correct the setting on an index card, and carry the card in her camera bag.

Believe me when I say that I've run into problems when my shutter wouldn't trigger, and it took me several months to arrive at the answer to my particular problem.

But as others have said, you can't recover a shot with severe camera motion.

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Dec 22, 2017 15:42:29   #
Oly Guy
 
When you take photos in automatic you run the risk of slow shutter speed-I find the same result.The camera chooses aperture and iso also-I find it chooses slow shutter speeds in auto. and high ISOs. Thats why I tend to shoot in manual and adjust the ap. and keep the shutter speed higher-at least 250 if possible. I brighten by moving Ap. or darkening it.

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Dec 22, 2017 15:43:47   #
Oly Guy
 
jrbissell wrote:
When you take photos in automatic you run the risk of slow shutter speed-I find the same result.The camera chooses aperture and iso also-I find it chooses slow shutter speeds in auto. and high ISOs. Thats why I tend to shoot in manual and adjust the ap. and keep the shutter speed higher-at least 250 if possible. I brighten by moving Ap. or darkening it.

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Dec 22, 2017 16:10:35   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
jrbissell wrote:
When you take photos in automatic you run the risk of slow shutter speed-I find the same result.The camera chooses aperture and iso also-I find it chooses slow shutter speeds in auto. and high ISOs. Thats why I tend to shoot in manual and adjust the ap. and keep the shutter speed higher-at least 250 if possible. I brighten by moving Ap. or darkening it.

If you read the OP's original post, the problem wasn't a slow shutter speed, it was that the camera had been inadvertently been set on a timed release shutter setting.

Press the Shutter, then move the camera before the shutter triggers, you will get blurred shots 99% of the time.

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Dec 22, 2017 17:00:17   #
Bud Hensley
 
When I don't have a reason to do otherwise, I follow Ken Rockewell's advice and set my camera on "P" for perfect. It will get what I want without spending a lot of time searching.

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Dec 22, 2017 17:17:48   #
jcboy3
 
Bud Hensley wrote:
When I don't have a reason to do otherwise, I follow Ken Rockewell's advice and set my camera on "P" for perfect. It will get what I want without spending a lot of time searching.


I prefer

"A" for Awesome
"S" for Stupendous
"M" for Magnificent

"The price of perfection is discontent"

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Dec 22, 2017 18:18:04   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
canon Lee wrote:
Hi Pat. firstly you need stop referring to yourself as "stupid"! Use uninformed instead. I am sure you are gifted at something that I would feel stupid about.
I bought my first Nikon/portrait lens many yrs ago for no particular reason. I didn't read the manual but still shot away, not even noticing how bad the shots were. There wasn't the internet ( back then) with great sites such as YouTube, where it would have been very easy and time saving for me to learn about the camera. You Pat have the opportunity to learn how to become a good photographer. Knowledge is power, and don't be over amazed at some of us here that might think they are the "gods of photography", because, like you, we all started just where you are now, taking lousy photos and not knowing why. One day you will be giving others help with their photography.
There is no way that a blurry photo can be saved, but there are programs like Light room that will improve exposure, compensating for the original settings.
I suggest you go to YouTube and lean about exposure. Be brave and learn in manual mode, for this will let you know really fast if the settings were right or wrong. Manual mode is a good way to learn.... Good luck Pat.
Hi Pat. firstly you need stop referring to yoursel... (show quote)

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BRAVO to Lee.....

Wonderfully written.

Only thing that I might respectfully add to this is....

Get a Notebook.

When I can not figure things out in my mind - I take a notebook a pencil, and the camera, lenses, and whatever, out to give it a good workout. (Just make sure that you have a good supply of Extra Batteries Charged-Up. :-)

When I write things down I can remember better. If not I can always read through the procedures that have worked.

Yeah! I am an Autodidact. And I just happen to remember 95% of what I read and write.

"Notebook - Every Photographer Should Carry One." = A.A.

-0-

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Dec 22, 2017 18:23:56   #
Royce Moss Loc: Irvine, CA
 
The biggest mistake I ever made was years ago I bought my first DSLR and 2 lenses an Olympus 620. Camera was fine for a couple years then it just stopped working. I took it in to Sammy's Camera for repair and they kept it for 2 weeks before telling me it could not be fixed. So like a real dummy I picked up a refurbished Olympus 620 body since I already had the lenses. Worked for 6 months and stopped working!! I guess that is 2 learning mistakes. Anybody need 2 Olympus lenses cheap??

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Dec 22, 2017 21:15:45   #
Motorbones Loc: Fair Oaks, CA
 
Personally... I never make the same mistake twice... I make it 5 or 6 times just to make sure it's a mistake.... That being said, for me a lot about photography has to do with the journey of taking good pictures. In that the final result has value. Even the mistakes have value... it's called the arc of the learning curve. Studying, working , and putting forth the effort is an important part of the process. Over the past few years my memory has started to fade a bit so it takes more effort and more mistakes to get it down. I haven't done much recently due to being so busy, but after the first of the year I'm going to start planning to budget my time to doing more. It's only through repetition that I'll gt it down. That includes utilizing all available and understandable resources....

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