Question For Alabama Voters (Page 17): All of those things you mentioned were done right out in the open and made the news immediately. If any one of those actions were considered...

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Bazbo wrote:

Oh, lets see: br br Trump telling Lester Holt on ... (show quote)

All of those things you mentioned were done right out in the open and made the news immediately. If any one of those actions were considered "obstruction of justice," then the special investigation would have ended six months ago and Trump would have been charged already. There is nothing new to reveal about those accusations. Trumps actions were never a secret.

I'll just play along with you guys until the day the special prosecution finally ends, and I promise not to gloat when the disappointing results come in. Liberals will no doubt take some consolation because Paul Manafort was charged with something, but it has nothing to do with the original point of the investigation. Still, there is no guarantee that Manafort will even be found guilty.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Steven Seward wrote:

All of those things you mentioned were done right ... (show quote)

You think obstruction of justice only happens in secret?

If Mueller finds nothing, then I am happy with that. I only want to know the truth. But what we know so far stinks on ice.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

thom w wrote:

If we are going to continually scream "words mean something", then they should.

The meme may have been in ambiguously worded but the meaning of the point is quite clear from context. No crime is prosecuted simultaneously with the crime.

Parse words till the cows come home. The fact is, this bombing was a cold case until Jones brought it back to life and obtained a conviction. Years after the fact, but a conviction nonetheless. The fact that Jones bright this case back to life shows tenacity, intelligence and yes, course (this being Alabama and all).

So the choice is this guy or a child molester.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Bazbo wrote:

The meme may have been in ambiguously worded but t... (show quote)

No argument on these points, still, the meme was worded clumsily.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

thom w wrote:

No argument on these points, still, the meme was worded clumsily.

Agree. I would have inserted the word "the" after the word "in".

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Bazbo wrote:

On any of the positions that I posted in the meme?... (show quote)

Losing an argument must really suck for you, I really felt you had the upper hand in this discussion as clearly Moore presents many problems, but then you have to go and dismiss the Clinton argument as if she is in the past, she was your presidential candidate just last year, and, you try to negate the valid comparison of how the democrats honored a murder and a senior Klan member...

As far as Jones prosecuting the Klan, that's great but there was no special honor in it, it was his freakin job to do so, any prosecutor no matter which side of the aisle he was on would have prosecuted that case so there is no special recognition there. Well, maybe you could give him a little credit because of his being a democrat and back in that day and time it was the democrats who were running around in white sheets, hanging people and blowing up churches. But I would not give him too much, like I said, he did his f'ing job so how is that special?

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Blurryeyed wrote:

Losing an argument must really suck for you, I rea... (show quote)

Anyone can declare themselves the winner at anything. Thats why children (and Trump do it so easily). As a matter of fact, self proclaimed victory is the best sign that you have actually lost. No matter--this is not a win or lose proposition. You support a child molester because you like his politics. That makes you beneath contempt--so pat yourself on the back and tell all of your friends what a great debater you are. Go buy yourself a trophy as proof of your great victory.

Jones resurrected a cold case and brought a successful prosecution. The easy thing for him to have done would have been to leave it alone. Compare that with the courage it takes to prey on little girls. You are not only beneath contempt, but woefully ignorant on the basic facts.

Hillary is not running for anything and is unlikely to ever again. Hence, the past. Got any more softballs?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Bazbo wrote:

Anyone can declare themselves the winner at anythi... (show quote)

My bad, doesn't really feel like a victory, like I said, you certainly have the stronger position to argue from, the moral high ground so to speak, but your argument suggesting that the recent past behavior of the democrat party is meaningless in a discussion the morality of the two differing sides is weak, and your argument suffers. I think that the direction of federal policy is larger than Moore when one considers the ramifications on the lives of 325 million people. I know that you and I disagree about what is good and what is bad for this country and that we set aside in this discussion. So, in closing, because I have to travel, were I an Alabama voter I would probably vote for Moore, no matter that I think him despicable.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Blurryeyed wrote:

My bad, doesn't really feel like a victory, like I... (show quote)

My argument has nothing to do with anything other than Moore. You try to bring in dead democrats to deflect and I am just not going to take that bait.

Al Franken, John Conyers and anyone else should walk the plank as party affiliation means absolutely nothing to me given the evil and the depravity of the conduct. While we are at it, Trump himself should walk the plank along with he progressives that until now, I admired.

nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

gorgehiker wrote:

When I think of Alabama, I visualize a state where I am likely to see many American flags displayed on homes and vehicles. This is because I see Alabama as a conservative state in which residents think of themselves as patriotic to a higher level than most states. America is supposed to represent honor, character and morality. How can a person who loves America vote for a child molester?

All they need to reject Moore is proof of these accusations. To date there is NONE

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

boberic wrote:

All they need to reject Moore is proof of these accusations. To date there is NONE

And what is your standard for proof? If the Statute of Limitations had not expired, there is proof enough for an indictment.

1. Eyewitness testimony, on the record,
2. Allegations supported by several independent and contemporaneous accounts.
3. Direct testimony that Moore was banned from the mall for aggressively pursuing teeange girls which establishes a pattern of conduct that is consistent with the victim's accusations.

What else do you need? Do you need to witness the conduct yourself?

Besides, this is not a criminal matter. it is a political judgment based on the man's character and fitness for office. Trying to require a criminal due process is absurd. Different game, different rules.

And the next time you pee your pants about Benghazi or some other alt right BS, I will remind you of your very high standards of evidence.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Bazbo wrote:

The meme may have been in ambiguously worded but t... (show quote)

I'm good with your choice. I'm glad he was able to close the case on the church bombings. I haven't commented on those things. The fact is the meme didn't say what you intended it to. It's hard to drop it when you keep coming back like the energizer bunny. I make mistakes, you make mistakes, everybody make mistakes. Not being able to accept it does not flatter you.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

thom w wrote:

I'm good with your choice. I'm glad he was able to close the case on the church bombings. I haven't commented on those things. The fact is the meme didn't say what you intended it to. It's hard to drop it when you keep coming back like the energizer bunny. I make mistakes, you make mistakes, everybody make mistakes. Not being able to accept it does not flatter you.

Don't understand your point. I said that the meme was inartfully worded. i did not write the meme, but used it to illustrate a larger point, which you apparently agree with.

Not looking for flattery but if you insist on being the grammar/syntax enforcer of the Attic, then I encourage you to pursue that role with whatever vigor you think appropriate.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Blurryeyed wrote:

Losing an argument must really suck for you, I rea... (show quote)

It had been sitting cold for decades.