Validity of Nikon’s quality
Dec 8, 2017 05:59:12 #
Jamil wrote:
I was at a camera repair with my D810 the other day and the repair person was exclaiming about how my camera was made to last a year or two. I’ve had this unit for almost 2 years and have had nary a problem. His point was that manufacturers plan it that way to stimulate sales. I’ve used Nikon for the past 40 years and have never entertained that planned obsolescence was Nikon ‘s criterion for it’s products.
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
I've used Nikon cameras for almost 40 years with no problems what so ever.
Dec 8, 2017 05:59:25 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
Jamil wrote:
I was at a camera repair with my D810 the other day and the repair person was exclaiming about how my camera was made to last a year or two. I’ve had this unit for almost 2 years and have had nary a problem. His point was that manufacturers plan it that way to stimulate sales. I’ve used Nikon for the past 40 years and have never entertained that planned obsolescence was Nikon ‘s criterion for it’s products.
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
Car manufactures HAVE to maintain a parts inventory for all cars they manufacture for at least 10 years. After that it is their option. Unfortunately it is not the same with camera's. Yes, as many have stated here, there camera's are 5, 10, 15, and some more than 20 years old and still work fine. BUT, most camera manufactures carry repair parts for less than 10 years on most of their inventory. Yes, you can still get them fixed by most good camera repair shops but the manufacture no longer carry repair parts after a few years. This is sad.
Dec 8, 2017 06:15:38 #
I have always been very impressed with the engineering of my Canon cameras. Built like tanks, I have put them through a lot. If you look up an exploded view of what goes in to a modern DSLR, it is truly amazing. That occasionally something malfunctions should not be a shock.
Dec 8, 2017 06:18:16 #
breck
Loc: Derbyshire UK
Nikon d800, Nikon F3 30 plus years old and still going strong no problems look at Nikons pubnlished shutter life, you do not see many camera manufacturers advertising that!
Dec 8, 2017 06:23:06 #
Jamil wrote:
I was at a camera repair with my D810 the other day and the repair person was exclaiming about how my camera was made to last a year or two. I’ve had this unit for almost 2 years and have had nary a problem. His point was that manufacturers plan it that way to stimulate sales. I’ve used Nikon for the past 40 years and have never entertained that planned obsolescence was Nikon ‘s criterion for it’s products.
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
People that interact with the general public tend to babble, often nonsense. Its breaks the awkward silence when two strangers are in close contact.
Dec 8, 2017 06:37:29 #
A friend of mine got 140,000 clicks before he wore out the shutter mechanism on his D3300. That's a lot of photos. He didn't feel cheated when it broke; he said it served him well.
Dec 8, 2017 06:45:57 #
One has to watch out for shady repair people...they are out there. Once while I was traveling on business the clothes dryer broke. The wife had a repair guy come and repair it for a hundred dollars or so. This was 25 years ago. When I was back home a few days later some feature on it would not work. So, I opened it up and quickly found a disconnected wire. Now the connections all had locking features so it could not have just worked loose. The repair person in my view had disconnected it and was probably expecting a return visit. Well, that call never came ever again.
In our area it seems to be the big HVAC companies that come out and the first thing they want to do is put in a whole new system for $12,000...and they can do it tomorrow too. In the past 13 years I have had a control board fail 2 times on my system. First time cost me $700 to replace, second time $800. Both times the call was less than 2 hours...closer to an hour. I looked the board up and I can buy it from Granger for $158 retail.
Last is car repair places. We had a recently fired manager who was raping everyone at a privately owned place. Tried to sell my son a transmission rebuilt for a Honda Accord for $3800 when the car was worth about $6000. Told my friend that he needed a new rack and pinion steering set for $800. After the guy was fired by the owner a long time mechanic looked at the car and determined it needed a $6 hose. Buyer beware when it comes to repairs...
Best,
Todd Ferguson
In our area it seems to be the big HVAC companies that come out and the first thing they want to do is put in a whole new system for $12,000...and they can do it tomorrow too. In the past 13 years I have had a control board fail 2 times on my system. First time cost me $700 to replace, second time $800. Both times the call was less than 2 hours...closer to an hour. I looked the board up and I can buy it from Granger for $158 retail.
Last is car repair places. We had a recently fired manager who was raping everyone at a privately owned place. Tried to sell my son a transmission rebuilt for a Honda Accord for $3800 when the car was worth about $6000. Told my friend that he needed a new rack and pinion steering set for $800. After the guy was fired by the owner a long time mechanic looked at the car and determined it needed a $6 hose. Buyer beware when it comes to repairs...
Best,
Todd Ferguson
Dec 8, 2017 06:58:26 #
Some really interesting points raised in this thread - not least the 'I wanna update even if I don't need it' syndrome. As I get older I find I'm less prepared to wait - maybe more to do with watching the years pass? Additionally, if we've been fortunate in life we also have the funds to buy new toys 'just because I want to'. I was talking to a Canon rep recently and she said based on warranty registrations there a many more latest model 70-200 f2.8L lenses in enthusiast hands than ever in professionals!
On a separate matter of built in obsolescence and NASA, I once read that just before the launch of Apollo 11 they asked Niel Armstrong what he would be thinking of waiting for liftoff, expecting some profound statement I guess. He is said to have replied 'he would be thinking the rocket was built by competitive tender!' Probably an urban myth but a good one all the same :)
On a separate matter of built in obsolescence and NASA, I once read that just before the launch of Apollo 11 they asked Niel Armstrong what he would be thinking of waiting for liftoff, expecting some profound statement I guess. He is said to have replied 'he would be thinking the rocket was built by competitive tender!' Probably an urban myth but a good one all the same :)
Dec 8, 2017 07:10:44 #
Jamil wrote:
I was at a camera repair with my D810 the other day and the repair person was exclaiming about how my camera was made to last a year or two. I’ve had this unit for almost 2 years and have had nary a problem. His point was that manufacturers plan it that way to stimulate sales. I’ve used Nikon for the past 40 years and have never entertained that planned obsolescence was Nikon ‘s criterion for it’s products.
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
That's only his opinion, and he may be right if it used by a pro (or die hard shutterbug enthusiast) every day taking hundreds of shots daily....let's say 500 shots a day x 365 = 182,500 - within the range rated shutter life for a D810. He probably meant that ... it's not the time of ownership it's the use and mileage that count. An enthusiast weekend photographer will get a lot more years of use with good care of almost any DSLR these days.
Dec 8, 2017 07:21:14 #
Jamil wrote:
I was at a camera repair with my D810 the other day and the repair person was exclaiming about how my camera was made to last a year or two. I’ve had this unit for almost 2 years and have had nary a problem. His point was that manufacturers plan it that way to stimulate sales. I’ve used Nikon for the past 40 years and have never entertained that planned obsolescence was Nikon ‘s criterion for it’s products.
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
I was wondering whether any of you had heard “such “
Only manufacturers know if they build their devices to fail after a certain amount of usage and they ain't telling. Everything wears out. Given today's technology I suppose one could build a camera or car with parts that were guaranteed to last a lifetime. But I suspect only the wealthy would be able to afford either.
Dec 8, 2017 07:25:05 #
Sounds to me he's trying to stimulate new camera sales. My D600 has over 75000 clicks & still going strong.
Dec 8, 2017 07:33:17 #
Dec 8, 2017 07:34:09 #
Any product has life expectancy. Automatic transmissions on Chrysler passenger cars is known to fail between 120K and 150K miles (but not always)...My wife has a tailor shop equipped with a number of Juki sewing machines of the same model.. all made in Japan and one in China. The one made in China failed multiple times and none of the Japanese had any failure whatsoever.
It is difficult to avoid "made in China" due to most goods made in China but if possible I wouldn't buy Chinese made or assembled.
VW assembled in Mexico is not the same as the one assembled in Germany.
Russia is not known for good quality products but AK47 Russian made is very robust and reliable weapon (copied from German designed weapon).
I was in the Soviet Army (1968-73) and experienced excellent quality artillery optics and mechanics.
So many factors determine the longevity of the product.
It is difficult to avoid "made in China" due to most goods made in China but if possible I wouldn't buy Chinese made or assembled.
VW assembled in Mexico is not the same as the one assembled in Germany.
Russia is not known for good quality products but AK47 Russian made is very robust and reliable weapon (copied from German designed weapon).
I was in the Soviet Army (1968-73) and experienced excellent quality artillery optics and mechanics.
So many factors determine the longevity of the product.
Dec 8, 2017 07:44:00 #
The shutter stuck open on my Nikon FE (purchased in 1981) in Santa Fe in 1991. I took it into an independent repair shop, where the guy quickly found that all it needed was a new battery. Battery? It has a battery??? He could have taken me for a $100 repair, but he was honest. Camera still works great, although I hardly ever use it.
Dec 8, 2017 08:06:06 #
This thread hits home for me, I mailed my Nikon D7100 to the shop this week. I don't think Nikon plans on breakdown at a specific time but they track what breaks and knows the life of those items based on history. I bought a new Honda Goldwing once the the dealer had new cycles still in crates for 3 consecutive years. I asked if it was smart to get a new one 3 years old and save money. He explained that Honda tracks every part sold or replaced and in the next model year, the parts (springs, gaskets etc.) would be replaced or made stronger to ensure that the quality increased year by year. I would believe Nikon or any major brand tries to improve that way because their reliability keeps them in the market.
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