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Dec 3, 2017 20:25:13   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
hj: who is president now Obama or Trump? So this 1+ trillion debt is Trump and Republican tar baby. Live with double talk.
kmgw9v: Who the hypocrites? Trump and Republicans said got to cut the nation debt, but with this tax cut it ok to up the nation debt. If that is not hypocrites, I don't known what is.


If the economy increases by .4% as a result of this tax law the 1.4 trillion increase will be paid for.

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Dec 3, 2017 20:54:26   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
You haven't explained why it was okay for Obama to raise the national debt by 0ver 7 Trillion dollars in 8 years..... far more than the projected one trillion over 10 years that might result from the tax cut. It's the democrats who are the hypocrites denying what the Obama years did to this country and it's debt.

Quinn 4 wrote:
hj: who is president now Obama or Trump? So this 1+ trillion debt is Trump and Republican tar baby. Live with double talk.
kmgw9v: Who the hypocrites? Trump and Republicans said got to cut the nation debt, but with this tax cut it ok to up the nation debt. If that is not hypocrites, I don't known what is.

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Dec 3, 2017 20:55:06   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
boberic wrote:
If the economy increases by .4% as a result of this tax law the 1.4 trillion increase will be paid for.



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Dec 3, 2017 21:10:47   #
nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
hj: who is president now Obama or Trump? So this 1+ trillion debt is Trump and Republican tar baby. Live with double talk.
kmgw9v: Who the hypocrites? Trump and Republicans said got to cut the nation debt, but with this tax cut it ok to up the nation debt. If that is not hypocrites, I don't known what is.



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Dec 3, 2017 21:30:25   #
Quinn 4
 
hj: I did not said that it was ok for Obama to have a 7 trillion debt. It was Trump and Republican , who said that their were going to cut nation debt. What did their do lie to you and you going have to pay for it.
Boberic: "IF"--Lincoln had not gone to the Ford Theater. Baby Ruth had not go to New York. Oswell had miss in Dallas. "IF" is not something to bet 1.4 trillion on.

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Dec 3, 2017 21:42:52   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
hj: who is president now Obama or Trump? So this 1+ trillion debt is Trump and Republican tar baby. Live with double talk.
kmgw9v: Who the hypocrites? Trump and Republicans said got to cut the nation debt, but with this tax cut it ok to up the nation debt. If that is not hypocrites, I don't known what is.

Quinn 4 wrote:
hj: I did not said that it was ok for Obama to have a 7 trillion debt. It was Trump and Republican , who said that their were going to cut nation debt. What did their do lie to you and you going have to pay for it.
Boberic: "IF"--Lincoln had not gone to the Ford Theater. Baby Ruth had not go to New York. Oswell had miss in Dallas. "IF" is not something to bet 1.4 trillion on.

Sure sounds like a somewhat defective version of dirtpusher, eh.....???

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Dec 4, 2017 06:39:54   #
WNC Ralf Loc: Candler NC, in the mountains!
 
Do not think republicants are hypocrites as much as they are just liars, don't really care about deficits, they just lie and say they are. They are dumping on the middle class for the wealthy and POS POTUS lies about how the tax cut will NOT help him. Liar in chief of the liars party.

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Dec 4, 2017 06:40:21   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
This might help understand this issue. They aren't cutting taxes. They are cutting tax rate.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-500292-1.html

--Bob
Quinn 4 wrote:
Hey you Republicans you got your tax cut, but what is about the nation debit going up under your tax plan. Is not cutting nation debit a article of faith to you Republicans? Sold out did you now, for some silver.

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Dec 4, 2017 07:50:25   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
nakkh wrote:
Fact is, the republican tax 'plan' is a piece of shit.



ROMBLTOLOL-


Describing yourself again?

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Dec 4, 2017 08:04:52   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
That so-called financial expert whined about how the high local/property tax states are complaining about losing the deductions for these taxes. It really comes down to a very simple theory. We are being taxed by the state/municipality and, under the new plan, we are being taxed on the income that paid these taxes. Double taxation! That affects everyone who lives in a high tax state, not just the rich. Consider this: You live in one of these states, and you own what is considered a mid market home (around $400,000) and you pay $8,000 in property taxes and $2,000 in state income tax. Under the new plan that is another $10,000 that you have to pay federal income taxes on; money that was never part of your disposable income. How does this help the middle class?

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Dec 4, 2017 08:19:43   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
JeffL wrote:
That so-called financial expert whined about how the high local/property tax states are complaining about losing the deductions for these taxes. It really comes down to a very simple theory. We are being taxed by the state/municipality and, under the new plan, we are being taxed on the income that paid these taxes. Double taxation! That affects everyone who lives in a high tax state, not just the rich. Consider this: You live in one of these states, and you own what is considered a mid market home (around $400,000) and you pay $8,000 in property taxes and $2,000 in state income tax. Under the new plan that is another $10,000 that you have to pay federal income taxes on; money that was never part of your disposable income. How does this help the middle class?
That so-called financial expert whined about how t... (show quote)



You can always move.

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Dec 4, 2017 08:47:41   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
Hey you Republicans you got your tax cut, but what is about the nation debit going up under your tax plan. Is not cutting nation debit a article of faith to you Republicans? Sold out did you now, for some silver.


No silver or gold left. Obozo saw to that, with 10 TRILLION raped from our childrens and grandchildren's pocketbooks and wallets. Were you playing with yourself everyday for 8 years not to notice

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Dec 4, 2017 08:50:43   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Hypocrites.


I agree that the DemoCraps are!

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Dec 4, 2017 08:51:11   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Don't believe the Democrats lies on tax reform, here are the true facts!

As president of the State Financial Officers Foundation, I have the privilege of working with some of the nation’s sharpest financial officers.

They are not merely treasurers. They are thought leaders, experts, and fighters who, day-in and day-out, serve on the front lines of fiscal policy and intimately understand their state budgets, cash flow, and state pensions.

These leaders—state treasurers, state controllers, and state auditors—know firsthand how policies coming from inside the beltway impact the states.

The rhetoric during this year’s tax reform debate is producing more heat than light. While Democrats portray the tax reform bill as an all-out assault on the American middle class, members of the State Financial Officers Foundation have a different view. We believe tax reform is vital to growing our economy and empowering innovators in our states.

Regarding the middle class, Democrats fail to mention that under the new House plan, the standardized deduction would almost double from $6,350 to over $12,000 for single filers, and $12,700 to $24,000 for married couples filing jointly. That means the number of Americans who claim the standard deduction would likely go from 60 percent of all filers to 90 percent.

Critics also fail to mention that the tax credit per child would increase from $1,000 to $1,600.

Additionally, critics don’t admit that the impact of simplifying the tax code would disproportionately help lower- and middle-income taxpayers, most of whom would be able to file their taxes using a simple postcard.

Democrats are also arguing that higher education will be in shambles because students will no longer be able to deduct student loan interest. The current tax code allows a deduction up to $2,500 if your income is $65,000 or less.

However, this deduction goes away if your adjusted gross income is $80,000 or more. An analysis done by the American Enterprise Institute estimates the average benefit actually received by students is just $202.

The claim that losing the student loan interest deduction would prevent students from applying for new student loans and attending a college or university isn’t supported by facts. And frankly, if that were true, everyone should be pushing to eliminate the deduction, given that the student loan debt crisis in America has ballooned to an astonishing $1.3 trillion.

Democrats continue to argue that states with high taxes will be “destroyed” if state and local tax deductions are eliminated. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo warned in a tweet earlier this month that “New York will be destroyed, if the deductibility of state and local taxes is included in any final plan that passes the House.”

Some claim eliminating the state and local tax deduction is a “revenue grab” on behalf of the federal government. But the reality is that repealing the deduction would allow $1.3 trillion to be used to reduce tax rates for all individuals and business. The state and local tax deduction is nothing more than an unfair federal subsidy of wealthier states with higher tax rates.

And lastly, Democrats argue that eliminating the mortgage interest deduction on mortgages worth up to $1 million is somehow a tax increase on the middle class.

Aside: It is humorous to most of us that live between the coasts that somehow someone with a $1 million mortgage is still considered to be middle class.

This disingenuous claim only impacts new mortgages. Homeowners who currently own a home would still be able to deduct their mortgage interest. And for new home purchases, one would still be able to deduct the interest up to the first $500,000 of the mortgage.

Given the analysis by the National Low Income Housing Coalition that fewer than 4 percent of mortgages in the United States are over $500,000, the “middle class” statistically has nothing to worry about when it comes to the proposed changes.

State leaders from the State Financial Officers Foundation act as the chief financial officers and chief financial literacy officers for their states. Tax reform is one of the most common issues that constituents bring up to these elected officials.

The complicated tax code has made millions of Americans hate April 15 and has required many to hire accountants and lawyers to help them maneuver through the system.

Americans haven’t seen serious changes to the tax code since the Reagan administration. America is long overdue for sweeping tax reform.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/11/28/dont-believe-democrat-attacks-tax-reform-facts/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRCa05USXpabVEyT1RRMyIsInQiOiJ1a1wvcit3bzZmUnZuZEp0bXM0dGpkejdUR1JCUlNHUGtsXC9rMlpLMW5nYVwvQ254TXZnYkFYMExoUGxRUllYRkRTc2JXMjdDazRGVENFZVI4YkppS1RHOHo0bVwvejhwWWF0cUlkbWpVeDVKa0lWeXVcLzhnWlpjNGpJSlBFaGJNd2pJIn0%3D
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Move to somewhere people actually want to live and tell me a $1,000,000 mortgage is a joke. Move to somewhere that wages are ok but you actually have to compete and tell me it's a joke. As long as you live where the rest of us would prefer to just fly over, you can buy housing for "reasonable" rates, if those are really reasonable rates for somewhere no one wants to live and the wages are stagnant if not receding.

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Dec 4, 2017 08:52:06   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
nakkh wrote:
Fact is, the republican tax 'plan' is a piece of shit.



ROMBLTOLOL-


I would have put it differently, but you are right.

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