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Nov 19, 2017 19:15:45   #
Dairygoat
 
You are so right. Linuk is the best. I have been using Linukway back before any of them had a GUI desk top.

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Nov 19, 2017 19:36:50   #
Crichmond Loc: Loveland, CO
 
Thanks for the AfterShotPro info!

I have one machine that I'm running Linux Mint on and was looking for a robust photo editor for my Linux machine. I've been using the Adobe family of products for some time and am used to the shortcuts and protocols of Photoshop. One problem with Photoshop is that it is a hog when it comes to computer resources. AfterShotPro is blazingly fast as compared to Lightroom and Photoshop.

Right now Corel is selling it for $47.99, so that, for me was a real bargain.

I now have a new learning curve to conquer!

So, again, thanks!

Bmarsh wrote:
No one has mentioned AfterShotPro from Corel which runs on Linux and Windows. I have been using it for PP for years. Handles RAW files very nicely.

Bravo on your thinking about Linux. I started with it in 1994 and haven’t looked back. Never had a virus problem and very few glitches when updating. Have 5 machines running it in the house including servers and my wife’s machine. She switched from Windows to Linux almost overnight but of course, I was there to answer any questions.

Did I mention that I hate Windows? If I need to run Windoze, I run it in a virtual machine under Linux. Runs better there than on real hardware.
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Nov 19, 2017 20:49:25   #
JerryOSF Loc: Bristol, VA
 
You may want to try Digikam. It is a "do it all" photo program. Great for organizing, also can be used for editing. The nice thing about Linux is you can try many options, all are free. If you don't like it, delete it.

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Nov 19, 2017 21:31:35   #
Crichmond Loc: Loveland, CO
 
JerryOSF wrote:
You may want to try Digikam. It is a "do it all" photo program. Great for organizing, also can be used for editing. The nice thing about Linux is you can try many options, all are free. If you don't like it, delete it.


I'll take a look.

Thanks!

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Nov 19, 2017 22:25:25   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
Jim-Pops wrote:
I'm with Elliott here. I have had both Windows and Mac. Switched to mac about 15 yeas ago and have not had any problems. I now have a 15" MacBook pro that I use for all my work. I also have a 21" iMac, but like the laptop because of the eye level of the monitor. I have bifocals and having my head tilted up for hours strains my neck.

I have never had a virus that effected my operation. I have run some antivirus software and it found some things and corrected them but they never affected the computers operation. Recently I have had a bit of problems with the new OS and Photoshop but after the recent updates all problems went away so I blamed the problems on software not the mac. I always found work arounds till the new updated software came out but in both case the update was out within a couple of weeks.

The main problem with switching is cost new software. I run Microsoft Office and have never had a problem with it. On a mac you can run windows OS but if you do you will open up to the same virus infections all the windows people talk about. Therefore all my software is made for the mac OS. My Office is Mac 2011 and can do most everything. If you are on a monthly billing with Adobe you will not have additional cost to switch over. Might take a call to them but without added cost.

My oldest son is a major IT person in charge of keeping several plant locations tied together and they are windows based. He keeps them virus free but at a high cost of firewalls. When he goes home his personal computer is a Mac. I think that is saying a lot about the stable Mac OS. Macs aren't going anywhere they are the foundation of the advertising, design and creative community and a huge amount of photographers. It might be a learning curve but I think wise and rewarding without the pitfalls everyone talks about with each new Windows OS that comes out.

If you do switch over to Mac make sure the computer has 16 mg of memory. Helps with multi tasking.
I'm with Elliott here. I have had both Windows and... (show quote)


Lots of Mac fanboys on this thread and I'm happy to count myself among them. Since making the switch 7 or 8 years ago, I've never had I problem that wasn't my own fault. With Windows, I seemed to have a problem every 15 minutes.

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Nov 19, 2017 22:53:38   #
radiojohn
 
GIMP is kinda like photoshop. Check out distrowatch.com for all the Linux variations. Linux Mint is pretty easy to use, Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio may offer a lot of graphic programs right in the installation. Some run right off a DVD so you can "try before you buy (or install). A Windows program call Rufus will put many distros on a USB stick. One of my favorites is Puppy Linux which is small enough that the whole thing (OS and apps) load and run in memory. I have an old Toshiba laptop with 4 GB of memory and no current hard drive. "Precise Puppy" runs on it very well. Just be sure to save your work to another USB stick!

Sadly, you will not find the gamut of professional tools, but it is all free. There is a Linux program called WINE that will run some Windows programs, so some of yours may still work. And you can easily dual-boot your PC if you want to keep Windows on for some essential programs.

There is a service on Distrowatch if you want a DVD of any certain distro. Otherwise you need to download an ISO disk image file and burn your own.

Have fun!

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Nov 19, 2017 22:56:42   #
radiojohn
 
Thanks for the info on AftershotPro...but is it for Windows? The fellow is trying to use Linux.

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Nov 19, 2017 23:02:06   #
chfrus
 
Yup get a MAC.

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Nov 20, 2017 00:03:12   #
bascoggin
 
I've been real satisfied using a Linux version called Zorin OS for photo work and general word processing, etc. using Gimp and Shotwell for 4 or 5 years now. Zorin "feels" a lot like Win 7 so it doesn't take long to get familiar with using it. Can't remember but seems like both of these were included in the install.

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Nov 20, 2017 01:13:10   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
Bison Bud wrote:
I'm just about fed up with the constant and unreliable updates using Windows, not to mention all the spyware and infectious attacks. I took my photo processing computer off the internet about a year ago because of repeated issues, but now my other computer ran some sort of update and it appears that I'm going to have to wipe it clean and start over again. Therefore, I have no choice, but to use my photo processing computer on line again until I get the laptop up and running again and who knows how long that will last without more problems. I am now seriously considering buying a new, possibly used computer set up to run Linix. I know little about this operating system other than it exists and is open market software. Am I correct in assuming that Linix might be less attack prone than Windows? Are there good photo processing programs available to run in Linix? Any information one might provide about this system would be greatly appreciated!
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My three Windows 10 computers are permanently connected to the Internet. Yes there are constant attempts by "bad guys" but there are protections and they have never succeeded in getting through the defenses. As to the updates, I keep hearing about the unreliable updates, but I have not experienced any problems. Besides, you can set up the system to reject any updates. (I'd never do that as it is part of the value of Windows 10. ) No, I don't own Microsoft stock, but have found Windows, especially since Win 7, quite reliable.

Linux has the potential to be an excellent option. You can set your system to run both Windows and Linux and many do that; mostly running Linux but when wanting to use software only available for Windows, that becomes possible. Linux simply lost the commercial battle. No one could make sufficient money supporting it. Of course, I haven't kept up with the latest Linux news in 15 years. Maybe there are some amazing new software products.

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Nov 20, 2017 04:54:58   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
radiojohn wrote:
Thanks for the info on AftershotPro...but is it for Windows? The fellow is trying to use Linux.


Yes pretty sure there is a linux version (personally never used it thou)

Osx has bsd at the core of it. To cut a long story short. First there was Unix and many people contributed and later were locked out of the software they developed which pretty much led to another implimentation bsd (many variations) linus torvolds came along and started up Linux the names a cross between linus and unix.

Also works very like unix. Macs tend to do things graphically but they still have a commandline coming from linux to mac I was pleased to find brew and macports these are package managers and have ensured that most linux / bsd software has a mac version.

Macs can run OSX Windows and Linux even all 3 at the same time if you run the latter two in a Virtual machine (a Virtual machine usually uses a large file (or several 2GB files as a hard drive) They support usb hardware so you can connect external drives to them to. Generally the virtual machine manages to run about 90 ish percent the speed of the guest os running directly on the hardware but as a general rule tend not to allocate more than half of the hosts physical Ram. Windows prefers around 4GB+ of ram so you would prefer to have at least 8GB of physical ram, Linux can run on less, (much less if its not running a gui and for some tasks it isnt needed many linux servers are managed from a web browser remotely). Of course any operating system can be the host OS although OSX is restricted to being a guest on OSX systems. A mac can boot directly Windows or Linux as well but it's a pain to shutdown and restart. A virtual machine can be suspended at anytime and resumed any time later.

If you have windows hardware you officially only have the choice of Windows or Linux (unofficially there are hackintoshes which run on a subset of windows compatible hardware).
Company I work for has us all subscribed to microsoft online. Since it runs in a browser window (usually for me Chrome) it doesn't care about the underlying Operating system. So you can have Microsoft office on any operating system capable of running a webbrowser.


Linux command line is very much like the OSX command line and generally with a desktop linux system you don't need to use it much. Although there are many times you may want to. If your administrating a Windows Machine in a networked environment cmd is a common command to open a windows command line as is (ipconfig and ping). Its just faster at times to just hit the command line.

Linux is a kernel and has a fair number of desktops or user interfaces available, android is essentially a linux desktop as is chrome OS the ones used on 'linux systems' are gnome and kde but there are others and a few variations. Most of the programs are the same anyway.

For me osx is like a super linux i can do pretty much everything I could do on Linux within OSX and get the commercial software such as Lightroom which wasn't available under Linux. Even administration of a Windows domain server is done by using a remote desktop session it doesn't matter what operating system runs that session its just passing mouse and keyboard commands to the remote system and displaying the screen.

Virtual machines are the big thing these days Amazon Microsoft and Google all offer them. Google can rent you a machine with 96 cpu cores and 8192 GB of ram (by the minute) or a small slice to run a service. If you are rendering video frames then 96 cores is very handy but hopefully its a blockbuster not a home movie :) it's not a small bill for that kind of power.

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Nov 20, 2017 05:08:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
elliott937 wrote:
Apple iMac is the only way I will ever go again. Yes, the initial price is higher than a PC. But take that price and consider its life. Very inexpensive. I paid about $1,000 for my current 27" iMac. But I plan to continue using it for at least 10 years.......with lots of peace of mind.


My 27" cost twice that in 2012. I don't recall if it was refurbished or not - usually what I look for first. Then I bought memory, bringing it up to 16GB.

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Nov 20, 2017 09:37:33   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
pixbyjnjphotos wrote:
You can believe what you want to. I have been using Windows since DOS went out and Linux for 3 years now. I have three laptops, one with Linux Mint 17.3 with the Cinnamon desktop, one with Windows 8.1 and one with Windows 10. I also have two towers, one with Windows 10 and one with Linux Mint 18.0 with the Cinnamon desktop. It took my son three years of encouragement to get me to try Linux. Right now, you can keep your Windows machines. I love Linux period. The only reason I keep any Windows machines is for Photo image processing. It scares me almost to cardiac arrest to go on the internet with Windows, even while running severe anti-virus protection. I don't run any protection on my Linux boxes and go anywhere I want to go. Have not had a problem with thousands of hours on the internet. My son has his Linux certification and runs Linux about 99 percent of the time. According to him there is only an extremely minute chance of picking up anything that will infect Linux. Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop looks and feels so much like Windows that after about ten minutes of use you can hardly tell the difference. Windows 10 takes about 20 minutes to an hour to update and always causes the system to get just a little bit slower. Linux takes between 3 to 5 minutes to update and never ever slows down. Linux is just so much faster and runs on so much less hardware than Windows. There are more software writers writing for Linux all the time. Photomatix surprised me with a version for Linux and it works very well. Aftershot Pro works well too. Just need a good program besides Gimp to support layers and I would be satisfied. I use my Linux machines almost exclusively on the internet and for a lot of other office type stuff as I am using one right now for this post. I have posted a screenshot of my laptop Linux 17.3 desktop just for kicks. Have a GREAT DAY!
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A couple of points. I never said not to move to Linux But for the average user there is a learning curve that they need to be aware of. Also you said you have a son who is Linux certified which most of us don’t have as back up. Third point you said you still use Windows environment for photo editing. Well I think the OP came here because they are interested in photo editing.

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Nov 20, 2017 09:56:31   #
Bmarsh Loc: Bellaire, MI
 
radiojohn wrote:
Thanks for the info on AftershotPro...but is it for Windows? The fellow is trying to use Linux.


I believe it also runs on Windows but definitely runs on Linux.

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Nov 20, 2017 10:01:10   #
Bmarsh Loc: Bellaire, MI
 
Reinaldokool wrote:

Linux has the potential to be an excellent option. You can set your system to run both Windows and Linux and many do that; mostly running Linux but when wanting to use software only available for Windows, that becomes possible. .


Another option which I use is to run Windows in a virtual machine under Linux. It seems to run better that way, really. And given enough disk space for the images, you can have as many versions as you want. I have both Windows 10 and Windows 7 available.

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