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Nov 12, 2017 10:38:23   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
Hbuk66 wrote:
Nikon


OH! Short and to the point - someone who doesn't mince words!! I hear you, and understand.

Mac or PC? :-)

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Nov 12, 2017 10:39:56   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)


Im going to rock your boat! forget canon and Nikon Listen up I will only say this once. you ever take a walk on the wild side? say PANASONIC!! They have a new pro camera coming in January 2018 it is called the G9 Just google it just might change your life.

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Nov 12, 2017 10:56:59   #
lautenk2
 
Mochaman wrote:
OH! Short and to the point - someone who doesn't mince words!! I hear you, and understand.

Mac or PC? :-)

PC

You said earlier that budget is important.

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Nov 12, 2017 10:59:32   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
Jerrin1 wrote:
I owned a Canon 7D mark II and thought it was a brilliant camera. I used mine with some excellent Canon L series lenses. I part exchanged it for a Nikon D500, which I believe is a far better camera for my photography. I use mine with a Nikkor 300mm f4 PF VR, a Nikkor 200 - 500mm f5.6 (I also have the Nikkor TC14EIII) and a Sigma 180mm f2.8 macro. This is my first Nikon camera: and it is superlative. I have owned 7 x Canon SLR's/DSLR's in the past but doubt I will ever buy another Canon camera. I compliment my D500 with an Olympus EM1 mark II, which I find preferable to the 7D mark II. Whichever you choose, I doubt you will be disappointed.
I owned a Canon 7D mark II and thought it was a br... (show quote)


Hi Jerrin1,
Thanks for sharing your experiences - very helpful. Every post /poster provides another clue to 'my conundrum'. Before the end of this year I hope to have a camera in hand.

No doubt about - this forum is a valuable asset. Posters provide a tremendous source of information, while sharing personal experience / opinion on their equipment!

Thank you All for your support through this decision tree!

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Nov 12, 2017 11:02:48   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
Short and sweet. So, I'll assume you have this set-up? Please share!

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Nov 12, 2017 11:03:00   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Architect1776 wrote:
7D MII, Built in Flash D500 no (Extremely nice in parties and quick shots where you do not want to waste time finding a flash, or carry extra weight around), D500 built in WiFi 7D no (This seems to be a strong feature for you), D500 better dynamic range at very low ISO beyond that equal between the 2 so low light no difference where higher ISOs are needed. 7D Built in GPS D500 no. D500 has slightly more pixels and more focus points. If video is to be considered then the 7D walks away easily with Dual Pixel AF that no Nikon has (Accurate and fast video and live view AF is unique to Canon DPAF).
D500 has more AF points available with teleconverters. You know most the other features.
Both have lots of lenses.
If macro is a factor Canon has many more macros including 3 of them with tilt and shift features. Every Canon EF/EFs lens ever made works perfectly and 100% of features with the 7D so no worries. Nikon there are lots of limitations as to what features work with what, you will need to carefully research older lenses to ensure they have the functions you need. Canon also has a large range of absolutely silent lenses for video that Nikon does not have. Most all video camera makers use Canon EF mount and not Nikon so if you decide to get a separate video camera all your EF lenses are compatible and usable.
7D MII, Built in Flash D500 no (Extremely nice in ... (show quote)

Nice comparison, but all Nikon cameras are F-mount, so any Nikon lens can be used on them. What you are referring to is that some features in older lenses will not work with newer cameras because of technological changes/advances in how they work. Some people do not mind if the focus motor does not work because the lens is sharp, inexpensive, and they don't need the fast AF function! And it is easy enough to find out which lenses are not "compatible" with which camera because on their Website Nikon provides this information. Canon's DSLR lens mount system is such that there are different types of lens mounts which produces incompatibility between different camera types. [If I have this wrong, please enlighten me. Not a Canon user, I go by what it says on Canon and B&H websites.]

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Nov 12, 2017 11:03:53   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
My first SLR was the Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL as well. The clerk in the AAFES BX in Udorn, Thailand told me that the "DTL" model stood for "Down Through the Lense". I bought it anyway and took many, many pictures there. Next up was a Minolta SRT 101 ... kept that one for almost 4 years ... a great learning tool. Had Olympus, Canon, Kodak and many, many smartphone cameras. Over time I got into Astro-Photography and the limitations in that field for film was daunting. Having to wait for film processing was a PIA. It still took me 17 years to jump in with the last camera I will probably ever buy ... the Nikon D610. I'm am over the moon with this camera and its features. Nikon vs Canon is a very sticky debate and people have their brand loyalties (prejudices).
What ever brand you go with you have to decide what your specific discipline will be. I don't believe that there is any camera that will cover ALL bases.

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Nov 12, 2017 11:05:25   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
davyboy wrote:
Im going to rock your boat! forget canon and Nikon Listen up I will only say this once. you ever take a walk on the wild side? say PANASONIC!! They have a new pro camera coming in January 2018 it is called the G9 Just google it just might change your life.


Googling..... we both know words are cheap.... the proof is in the lab and field tests!
Thanks.......

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Nov 12, 2017 11:08:37   #
pahtspix
 
I have a Nikon D500 purchased about a year ago..No problems..and the noise that you speak of doesn't show up for me at all until around ISO 6400, at which time it can be easily dealt with in photoshop with the addition of a Topaz "DENOISE" plug-in for Photoshop.. I usually shoot in manual mode on on "AUTO-ISO", setting the ISO ceiling at 3200 for most purposes. I'm an active bird photographer, and use this camera i combo with a Tamron 150-600mm G2, which give me the equivalent reach of 900mm, and is tack sharp all the way open at F6.3..BTW, I'm older than most at almost 74! (YIKES!!) I use this combo with a Gimbal-headed Tripod, or a monopod, or even hand held if I'm "braced"..Good luck on whatever you choose to go with!!

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Nov 12, 2017 11:08:39   #
westjl2 Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
I used a Nikon DX camera for a few years then found a used D600 for $800. It is an FX full frame and I would never go back to a DX camera. The D600 is older but WOW. It takes amazing pictures. And who needs the 35+ MB capability of the D850? Just my 2 cents but you can get older technology for 1/4 the price and get amazing photographs. And it leaves more $ for better lens which really are more important at the end of the day. Get an FX model and you will never regret it.

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Nov 12, 2017 11:18:40   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Mochaman, the two comparisons that you mention, articulated screen and wi-fi, aren't photographically related features. Stick to which features are involved with taking a photograph. If we pay attention to those, I'd compare Dynamic Range, sensor, digital grain produced at higher ISOs, etc.
--Bob
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)

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Nov 12, 2017 11:46:30   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.
Nik
Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)


Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)?? NO!!!
Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm . Have one - love it! It is the only reason I now use my Nikon, (since I got my Fujis That lens is the only reason to use the Nikon)
But if you are considering those two cameras, you should also take a look at the Fuji XT-20. Less money. Lighter. Smaller. IQ as good or better. More fun to use.

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Nov 12, 2017 11:59:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
Nice comparison, but all Nikon cameras are F-mount, so any Nikon lens can be used on them. What you are referring to is that some features in older lenses will not work with newer cameras because of technological changes/advances in how they work. Some people do not mind if the focus motor does not work because the lens is sharp, inexpensive, and they don't need the fast AF function! And it is easy enough to find out which lenses are not "compatible" with which camera because on their Website Nikon provides this information. Canon's DSLR lens mount system is such that there are different types of lens mounts which produces incompatibility between different camera types. [If I have this wrong, please enlighten me. Not a Canon user, I go by what it says on Canon and B&H websites.]
Nice comparison, but all Nikon cameras are F-mount... (show quote)


Precisely what I said. I never said would not mount as you seem quite confused. They will mount. So what if you want a feature chances are it will not work with the D500. Canon has absolutely no such issue with the 7D MII. I said features. and again many Nikon lenses will not have features that work with the camera. They will mount and so what? I mount old Canon lenses, accessories, bellows etc onto my 7D. Here is an old FD bellows and and even older FL macro lens working just fine on my 7D/10D. Wow what a concept missed by you.


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Nov 12, 2017 12:09:56   #
PatM Loc: Rocky Mount Mo.
 
Did not read all replies. Have you considered Canon 80D. It has the connectivity features you seek. And an articulating screen.

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Nov 12, 2017 12:14:35   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
tcthome wrote:
The D500 is a better camera for sure. As far as the Wi fi is concerned , Nikons is a little iffy. I do believe there might be 3rd party alternatives that perform better. ( but don't hold me to that.) Considering where you are coming from in photography I think you would be happy with either camera. Good luck with your choice & have fun shooting!


Thank you. Reviews support your wifi point.... It's a "WIP" .... or "That's not a bug... it's a feature!!" :-\

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