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Nov 11, 2017 20:26:37   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Mochaman wrote:
Thanks. Your pointers are echoed by others - driving home facts I should have paid better attention to.

Reread my post as I edited the last paragraph with comments about frame rate and buffer size.

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Nov 11, 2017 20:37:35   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
Thanks - yes again to buffer size..... there's a much clearer pattern, and choice emerging.

p.s. love your avatar - beautiful Snowy Owl!!

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Nov 12, 2017 00:49:25   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Sounds to me like you have made your decision, the D500. I own both cameras. I bought the 7D II when it first came out and I purchased the D500 about 15 months ago. I like and use both cameras for shooting wildlife. I use the Canon on a tripod with a Sigma 150-600 Sport lens and the Nikon I shoot handheld with a Nikkor 200-500 lens.

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Nov 12, 2017 05:33:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)


Welcome to our forum!

Take your time, and don't aim too low. Consider a refurbished camera - basically a new camera at a lower price.

Camera comparison sites.
Read comparisons and specs, and decide what features are important to you.
(Reviews) https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCameraStoreTV/videos
http://www.cameradecision.com/
http://cameras.reviewed.com/
http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu

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Nov 12, 2017 05:34:49   #
Hbuk66 Loc: Oswego, NY
 
Nikon

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Nov 12, 2017 06:05:07   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)


I owned a Canon 7D mark II and thought it was a brilliant camera. I used mine with some excellent Canon L series lenses. I part exchanged it for a Nikon D500, which I believe is a far better camera for my photography. I use mine with a Nikkor 300mm f4 PF VR, a Nikkor 200 - 500mm f5.6 (I also have the Nikkor TC14EIII) and a Sigma 180mm f2.8 macro. This is my first Nikon camera: and it is superlative. I have owned 7 x Canon SLR's/DSLR's in the past but doubt I will ever buy another Canon camera. I compliment my D500 with an Olympus EM1 mark II, which I find preferable to the 7D mark II. Whichever you choose, I doubt you will be disappointed.

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Nov 12, 2017 06:12:13   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)


Your long post deserves a long response. Here goes, Nikon D500 with 200-500 for wildlife. 18-200 Nikon for everything else.

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Nov 12, 2017 07:21:55   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)


The D500 is a better camera for sure. As far as the Wi fi is concerned , Nikons is a little iffy. I do believe there might be 3rd party alternatives that perform better. ( but don't hold me to that.) Considering where you are coming from in photography I think you would be happy with either camera. Good luck with your choice & have fun shooting!

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Nov 12, 2017 07:48:33   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Mochaman wrote:
Dynamic range - Rongnongno has pointed this and a few other important factors out as well. I was focused on the wi-fi feature set, however dynamic range, et al, overshadow this. Wi-fi is nice, but bottom line is the quality of the photograph.... always will be.
FF cams offer the most - just not in my cards.

Thanks

I faced the same kind of choices when purchasing my first DSLR. Research brought me to a choice between a Canon and a Nikon that were similar in specifications and price. In the end I chose the Nikon, and it is interesting to note that one of the deciding factors was that the technology of the Nikon was newer than that of the Canon! In your case, the Nikon D500 overshadows the Canon 7D in this regard. And it is a fine camera that suits the type of photography you do the most.

Once you have settled on a camera, the next thing to consider is the lenses. Which ones to use can be at least as important as which camera! The focal length range of zoom lenses is primarily a manufacturing issue that makes it easier to make a lens that is sharp through more of its focal lengths when that range is smaller. Newer lenses are improving this [such as the Nikon 200-500 and the Sigma Sport 150-600], but in general the rule of thumb is less focal length range = sharper photos. The size of the maximum available aperture is another thing to consider. Smaller apertures will not perform as well in low-light situations, but larger apertures are more expensive! So this means that compromise has to be made - focal length vs. aperture, and cost vs. aperture. Another thing to keep in mind is that [in Nikon - I am not familiar with Canon's lens systems] a full-frame [FX] lens can be used on a crop-sensor [DX] camera, and works beautifully as long as you are aware of the effect of the "crop factor". If you can see a full-frame camera in your future, this is something to consider, since lenses can be more of an investment than the camera! [DX lenses can be used on an FX camera, but do not use the whole sensor thereby putting limitations on the results that can be obtained.]

Hope this helps.
Susan

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Nov 12, 2017 08:00:09   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
rjaywallace wrote:
I agree with Boberic. Renting is a great way to make a practical comparison with relatively low expense and hassle. Previously I used LensRentals.com and was very satisfied, but there are others. /Ralph

Just a note of caution on rentals.

Don't mix up your equipment with the rental equipment, because you'll never get your equipment back from them.

I learned this the hard way two years ago.

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Nov 12, 2017 08:02:04   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
The importance of WiFi is an individual thing. For what I do, it’s close to essential. Having experienced the early plugin devices, I strongly recommend cameras with built-in WiFi.


I haven't given up on wifi.... just moved it down the priority list... an taking a second look at some cameras, like the Pentax K-1.

thanks...

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Nov 12, 2017 08:02:40   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
Canons wifi ecosystem is much better, lens selection and value also better (not by much and somewhat debateable)....if these are differentiators. Nikon for just about everything else. Between the 2 choices you are looking at D500 would be my choice if restarting (and I am a Canon shooter).

Do take a look at the Canon 80D. Lower end camera and much cheaper but still has decent fps at 7and good wifi...plus good video (if that ever becomes a careabout).

I would still say to sell your 1st born and get a D850 and use high quality and inexpensive DX lenses until you can afford the high end lenses.
(...not my money, I know....)

No matter what you decide, all these cameras will give you the abilitiy and control to take great images...

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Nov 12, 2017 08:04:55   #
jjanovy Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
I agree with one of the comments that WiFi is a personal thing. I spend so much time on my computer, and am comfortable with handling images that way, that I personally don't see WiFi in a camera as essential, and wouldn't use it anyway. I have a Nikon D3300 and a D610, and love them both. I also have Canons (SX50 and SX710) that I've used extensively on travel where luggage, especially weight, was severely restricted, e.g. in small planes in Africa. I found those Canons to be wonderful toys and use them all the time (the SX710 is in my briefcase), but the Nikons are great, too. I have a Sigma 150-600 lens that I use in addition to the telephotos that came in the Nikon kits, and that big lens, although heavy, works great. Good luck!

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Nov 12, 2017 08:13:20   #
Mochaman Loc: Wilmington, NC
 
rjaywallace wrote:
I agree with Boberic. Renting is a great way to make a practical comparison with relatively low expense and hassle. Previously I used LensRentals.com and was very satisfied, but there are others. /Ralph


Agreed as well. I'm still looking around trying to locate a brick and mortar store that has either model - I'm willing to travel 'locally', up to an hour away. If this works - great, but I agree renting is real hands-on test drive.

Thanks Ralph.

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Nov 12, 2017 08:16:16   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
Mochaman wrote:
Hi ALL,
I am new to this forum, done much reading although have made a few posts – thank you for the wealth of information, the gift of sharing your combined knowledge, experiences and passions!

Being an ‘amateur re-tread’ – someone who’s been in and out of this hobby (livelyhood for others) now retired and willing to start again.
My first camera was an Army PX purchased - Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL, today I am looking at two cameras, Nikon D-500 and Canon 7D – MKII.
To this end I look to this forum – not to decide for me, but to add to/ provide a ‘tipping point’ for my final decision.
Not a professional and not able to spend $5K+ to snap (in order of priority) wildlife, action and land/cityscaping photos, my choices have been narrowed down to these two, non FF cameras and lens families.

Here’s what I know (or think I do):
•Both cameras are ‘closely’ matched in specs, with Nikon D500 newer and having slightly better resolution capable of providing a sharper image (?), and Nikon has a higher ISO range (more noise)??!!

•Lenses for consideration are 18-200mm and 200-500mm. Tests and user’s results garnished from this forum and various links indicate both manufacturers produce comparable quality lenses at comparable prices- I hope to obtain the widest overlapping focal ranges with the least amount of equipment to carry around.

•Both have Wi-Fi ability: Nikon’s is built in, Canon requires a card slot and external adapter. I want to remotely see and snap the subject appearing in the viewfinder

•Nikon has an articulating, touch screen - Canon does not…. I feel both features are assets

•Regardless of choice, I must “RTFM” to gain command of the multitude of features as well as the confidence to know how to use & apply them. I am in awe of so many high quality photos that I see so often on this forum!

I am leaning toward Nikon D-500 for a few reasons, but my tipping point is – of all things – the wi-fi feature as I want to shoot in raw and jpeg, but NOT at the expense of an SD slot for wi-fi.
However, I’m uncertain if wi-fi feature of both cameras performs as I believe - Ability to 1) transfer/share photos to phone and beyond, 2) remotely view and snap the subject.
Wi-fi is a key consideration.... but, not at the expense of the 'end product'.... hence conundrum.

So, I’m turning my research/ beliefs/ assumptions and subsequent questions over to you all:
Am I in the ball park – have I correctly dissected the technical information properly?
Based on my beliefs that both cameras are somewhat/closely match optically and feature-wise, what have I failed to consider?

At the end of the day, I’m not looking for, nor desire a Nikon-Canon bashing contest – I realize both manufacturers have dedicated ‘camps’…. I’m looking for that ‘tipping point’ – if it exists.

Sorry for the long post.
Paul Winter
Hi ALL, br I am new to this forum, done much re... (show quote)

Paul,

One question that hasn't been asked is how soon you want to buy your camera?

If it's sooner rather than later then your research and the members responses on this topic hold the answers that you need.

But if you're willing to wait a little while longer, it's rumored that Canon will be announcing a 7D MIII sometime next year.

The specs won't be known until the announcement comes out.

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