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Nov 5, 2017 08:39:24   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I have to agree with you that a cell phone camera is convenient but when it comes to make an enlargement, is indeed convenience enough?
I also agree that the "best" camera is the camera we have when we are taking a shot and since the "best" camera is the one we have when we shoot why not select a good one?

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Nov 5, 2017 08:43:32   #
Nikonman44
 
Marionsho wrote:
It also has to do with the size of image viewed. This reminds me of a post years ago on the Hog where, I forget who, posted images with various photographic equipment ranging from a cell phone to a large format camera. Same subject. It was next to impossible to tell the dif.


The problem is that today you are correct

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Nov 5, 2017 08:44:30   #
Nikonman44
 
camerapapi wrote:
I have to agree with you that a cell phone camera is convenient but when it comes to make an enlargement, is indeed convenience enough?
I also agree that the "best" camera is the camera we have when we are taking a shot and since the "best" camera is the one we have when we shoot why not select a good one?


I think I agree with you YES

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Nov 5, 2017 08:48:22   #
turp77 Loc: Connecticut, Plainfield
 
a6k wrote:
..the one you have with you. Since I always have my iPhone 6s and most of the world has something comparable or even a little better, I offer this tip.

There are apps that can make that camera perform like a "real" camera. Up to a point, anyhow.

My newest favorite is ProCamera which is available on the iTunes App Store. I briefly looked at the stuff available for Android and there are lots of them as well.

My app allows me to save as raw, raw+jpg, tiff or jpg. It allows moving the exposure point and the focus point independently. It allows PASM and intuitively easy exposure compensation. It even zooms a bit. Notice the histogram with the red warnings at either end. How cool is that?! I chose a shot that reveals that, purposely. The attached phone screen shot shows the settings display on the bottom half but that is only showing when you want it to. If you press the "settings" icon on that display you get a whole additional page of choices.

It won't replace my real cameras but see above. I take many more photos with my phone than any other camera just because it's easy and the opportunities are there. Best $5 I've spent in quite a while.

There is a lot more that I have not even mentioned including a very good manual, format choices, editing tools and so on.

PS
I also use 645 Pro and find it to be excellent. I just find this newer (for me) one a little friendlier. The 645 has some special features such as emulating different formats and films. It also has an extensive manual built in. I am happy to have both on my phone.
..the one you have with you. Since I always have m... (show quote)


I roger that.

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Nov 5, 2017 08:48:36   #
Nikonman44
 
Peterff wrote:
Thanks for this post, it is interesting and provides value for those people that are receptive. Much of the resistance to smartphone cameras is based on ignorance, prejudice or both.

Smartphone cameras are mostly excellent, extremely capable, and almost ubiquitous. No serious photographer should be without one, but they do have limits and are not a replacement for other gear. Like any camera equipment it takes time to learn to use well.

A few weeks ago we had massive wildfires and smoke filled skies across the Bay Area of California. A couple of days where the sunsets resembled a Turner painting or the skies over Mordor.

My wife was travelling home from work when everyone had to get off the street car. The sky was spectacular, the smartphones came out 'cos "everyone" that was in any degree photographically inclined wanted to capture the moment. The unanimous comment was that the phones couldn't capture the image in their heads. My wife didn't have her DSLR with her for some strange reason.

My neighbor (with a decent Lumix) and I with a DSLR were getting images at the same time.

I'm very happy with my smartphone, but there is a time and a place for everything. I seldom go anywhere without my smartphone, can't say that about the rest of my cameras.
Thanks for this post, it is interesting and provid... (show quote)


I think that is the summation of many points in this thread. The I phones are good up to a point.

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Nov 5, 2017 08:50:01   #
Nikonman44
 
camerapapi wrote:
I have to agree with you that a cell phone camera is convenient but when it comes to make an enlargement, is indeed convenience enough?
I also agree that the "best" camera is the camera we have when we are taking a shot and since the "best" camera is the one we have when we shoot why not select a good one?



they all want the latest fone and we all want the latest cameras so I guess we are all pretty much alike.

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Nov 5, 2017 08:58:53   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
camerapapi wrote:
I have to agree with you that a cell phone camera is convenient but when it comes to make an enlargement, is indeed convenience enough?
I also agree that the "best" camera is the camera we have when we are taking a shot and since the "best" camera is the one we have when we shoot why not select a good one?


I agree whole heartedly. I noticed a very dramatic cloud cover (looked like lots of big pillows covering the sky) and thought I should use my cell phone's camera, then thought instead I'll go home (three blocks) and use a 'good' camera. Well, when I got home I had company and forgot all about it. Wished I'd have used my cell, at least I'd have something.

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Nov 5, 2017 09:02:08   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I got ProCamera it seems to be a great software. Look forward to using it when I am out.

We can not not include smart phones as an image maker. We were out for a birthday in my family
the other day and we took a group picture in a restuarant.

I use my iPhone for recording pictures I need. When Irma destroyed a lot of our complex mostly trees
landscaping I used the iPhone for insurance. Labels of water filter, wifi numbers on tower, license plates,
cartridges for my printer etc. I take a picture of any gear I have and send to the cloud and collect in
dropbox. Yes I know is not creative imaging. But polaroids were the rage for years and now used
for fine art were not great images. But had their own panache.

My daughter has gone through some rough years with her 2 kids and just got a nice place to live
and the kids are thrilled with neighborhood and the schools and their rooms. She sent me iPhone shots
that were amazing in their emotion and joy. Photography is about people and places. And we
should honor the imagery. However it is acquired

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Nov 5, 2017 09:06:44   #
HallowedHill Loc: Chattanooga, TN
 
bsprague wrote:
I vote for the OP. Good photographers should be able to use good smartphones to add to the experience.



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Nov 5, 2017 09:08:39   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
This topic regarding cell phone camera use comes up often. I have seen some stunning photos from cell phones. Even posted on this forum several times. And as technology advances, Samsung and Apple will make them even better. Camera lenses are necessary to get great images. Now, you can buy cell phone attachments, one being a telephoto lens for cell phone today. What next? I still have my Nikon DSLR, Nikon Bridge, Sony pocket camera, and smartphone. The smartphone goes everywhere with me. Not so with my other camera gear. I can't call 911 with my other cameras.

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Nov 5, 2017 09:31:36   #
lamontcranston
 
Peterff wrote:
Thanks for this post, it is interesting and provides value for those people that are receptive. Much of the resistance to smartphone cameras is based on ignorance, prejudice or both.

Smartphone cameras are mostly excellent, extremely capable, and almost ubiquitous. No serious photographer should be without one, but they do have limits and are not a replacement for other gear. Like any camera equipment it takes time to learn to use well.

A few weeks ago we had massive wildfires and smoke filled skies across the Bay Area of California. A couple of days where the sunsets resembled a Turner painting or the skies over Mordor.

My wife was travelling home from work when everyone had to get off the street car. The sky was spectacular, the smartphones came out 'cos "everyone" that was in any degree photographically inclined wanted to capture the moment. The unanimous comment was that the phones couldn't capture the image in their heads. My wife didn't have her DSLR with her for some strange reason.

My neighbor (with a decent Lumix) and I with a DSLR were getting images at the same time.

I'm very happy with my smartphone, but there is a time and a place for everything. I seldom go anywhere without my smartphone, can't say that about the rest of my cameras.
Thanks for this post, it is interesting and provid... (show quote)


Excellent Post. I agree completely.

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Nov 5, 2017 09:44:44   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
a6k wrote:
..the one you have with you.

Was going to be my answer before I opened this post.

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Nov 5, 2017 09:46:04   #
cthahn
 
These comparisons get more stupid by the day. There is a rumor that Sony is coming out with a mirrorless camera that has a built in phone for real photographers that need an occasional telephone. The picture takers can keep their toys.

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Nov 5, 2017 09:51:30   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
sb wrote:
Does an iPhone have a lens that focuses? That is the first I have heard about it, but it does actually do a pretty good job of close-up photography...


Yes, it does focus. I have no idea how.

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Nov 5, 2017 09:53:20   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Maybe, just maybe, if the camera could make calls and use downloadable apps, sales of so called " Old Folks " cameras would pickup...

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