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Oct 31, 2017 17:12:24   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
Well lots of great suggestions. Easy to pull a trigger this time. Just ordered a Canon Speedlite 580 Ex II from Keh in Atlanta. Rated Excellent Plus. includes light, box and a mini stand for $257 including shipping to my door in Birmingham, AL. Used PayPal option and using Paypal Credit, since its over $100, I will enjoy 6 months to pay without interest charges. $42.83 a month for 6 months is painless! Now that I know Keh takes PayPal with that deferred payment plan...................I will try not to get reckless....!

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Oct 31, 2017 17:18:16   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Enjoy!!! It doe IR wireless I believe but not built in radio.
It will be a good Speedlite to learn a lot with Tom!!!

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 31, 2017 17:34:30   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Enjoy!!! It doe IR wireless I believe but not built in radio.
It will be a good Speedlite to learn a lot with Tom!!!

Best,
Todd Ferguson


Thank you Todd. I have fiddled with camera's for 60 years off and on. Self taught myself quite a bit but after having joined this forum I am not only making friends but I am really learning a lot! Having a lot of fun learning too!

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Nov 1, 2017 00:57:34   #
jouster Loc: Witlesss Protection Program
 
Many who have not used a diffuser or bounce are astonished at the difference between the on camera flash and an accessory flash with a diffuser.

I've used a flash diffuser for over 30 years. Now I often use a homemade diffuser (thanks Ken Rockwell) on my Nikon SB-400 flash.

camerapapi wrote:
flash photography is improved diffusing the light and a good way to do that is using a diffuser or
bouncing the light from a white wall when possible.

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Nov 1, 2017 01:04:19   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
rehess wrote:
Simple answers to your simple questions:



However, DoF does depend on sensor size. For a given focal length lens focused at a given distance, a smaller sensor will result in a larger DoF.


Tha is true if you move to get the SAME framing. If position does not change, DOF does not change. If camera-to-subject distance is constant, DOF will be constant.

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Nov 1, 2017 02:38:05   #
Bison Bud
 
Todd Ferguson, not to get to personal, but did you ever work for a company called G&D America? If so I think we know each other through work.

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Nov 1, 2017 06:00:35   #
Clapperboard
 
Screamin Scott and rehess They were far from amusing to me when I was recording video. You don't want odd light flashes going off distracting the viewers. Even worse when some friend of the family at a wedding stands opposite the 'video guy' and uses his hobby camcorder with a built-in light. The light is way too poor to really help his results but is a nuisance to the video guy using a camcorder that can operate in poor light. And of course he picks some important moment to do it. I still wonder if these people are just dumb or think it's funny.
Perhaps the people firing flashes may be using cameras that activate the flash automatically in poor light. They may even be embarrassed that the flash is firing but cannot be prevented.

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Nov 1, 2017 07:19:54   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
No Sir. I worked for a handful of companies and a number of clients over the past years. If you want to PM me and let me know more details of where, when and what role that is fine but I don't want to chew up space in the forum with stuff few would care about.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Bison Bud wrote:
Todd Ferguson, not to get to personal, but did you ever work for a company called G&D America? If so I think we know each other through work.

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Nov 1, 2017 07:32:49   #
Bison Bud
 
Thanks Todd, just curious.

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Nov 1, 2017 07:37:25   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
CanonTom wrote:
Last night I was shooting my grandson's 4th birthday party. Flash photography was decidedly out as the only thing I had with me was the built in flash on my Canon 60D, a 1.6 crop factor camera. That simply made the photos too bright and harsh and negated the decorated theme of dim light and overall ghoulishness (assuming that is even a word).

Knowing I would be working with very dim light, I set my camera on manual with a shutter speed of 1 80th of a second (four year old boys can run pretty fast), aperture at 1.8 on my Canon 50mm prime lens and let the ISO float to 6400 after which the light would be reduced. With fast moving 4 year olds, I decided a tripod would be too slow so I did not take one with me.

Over all the shots were not too bad.....not to good either unfortunately, but many were acceptable.

Inside close quarters the 50mm got a little long with the crop factor so I decided to go to my 24mm prime 2.8. Have not had the 24 very long so I got to compare them side by side in low light. The 24 mm was definitely better in terms of focal length, but many more of these pictures were simply too dark to be worth much......the difference between the 1.8 and the 2.8 obviously.

My question is basically two fold:

First, had I been using a FF camera which I am still considering obtaining, would my aperture have been reduced by the crop factor giving me more effective aperture than I was obtaining with my current crop factor camera??? If so that would be a tremendous gain in terms of low light performance.

Second, from you advanced amateurs and certainly from you professionals, what else could I have done to improve my image quality in this situation based on your own personal experiences? Thank all of you for your input!

(I previously researched this last part of my question on the web and found that there seems to be opinions on this topic that do contradict each other, to say the least....I am confused on this issue but would really like to know as it will impact my decision as to purchasing a FF camera).
Last night I was shooting my grandson's 4th birthd... (show quote)


I don't know why you couldn't have used flash or multiple flash and maintained the mood. Its just a matter of knowing how.

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Nov 1, 2017 09:47:46   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
joer wrote:
I don't know why you couldn't have used flash or multiple flash and maintained the mood. Its just a matter of knowing how.


Well, that is why I made the post..............to find out how. And I have learned a lot from the answers.

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Nov 1, 2017 10:11:20   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I use my Speedlites to shoot a drag races, usually using 2 Speedlites. You can get light stands that are pretty small when you break them down. One I use is a Matthews background stand to which I added an extension. It can go from ground level to to over 6 feet and breaks down in 30 seconds to air in a old computer bag or a backpack. There are also less expensive stands but this now is rated to hold 22 pounds. But I usually just have a speed light on an umbrella mount and a MagMod modifier or two. So, keep that in mind for the future. It is useful both indoors and outdoors.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
I use my Speedlites to shoot a drag races, usually... (show quote)

I looked at Matthews' website, and found their back light stand that sounds like the one you describe, at $69. Bookmarked it for future reference. Also see that B&H carries their products, which is convenient for me because B&H is in NYC making shipping time very short! [On B&H it is $49!] Had to look up the umbrella mount and MagMod modifier to better understand what they are for. I can see that the mount would be needed with the light stand. But have never used flash modifiers, even though my SB200 came with a few colored filters. Have to wait until I know more about using a speed light to figure out the filters part!

Thanks for the information. Always happy to learn about something that may be useful for me.
Susan

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Nov 1, 2017 10:30:37   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
[quote=SusanFromVermont]I looked at Matthews' website, and found their back light stand that sounds like the one you describe, at $69. Bookmarked it for future reference. Also see that B&H carries their products, which is convenient for me because B&H is in NYC making shipping time very short! [On B&H it is $49!] Had to look up the umbrella mount and MagMod modifier to better understand what they are for. I can see that the mount would be needed with the light stand. But have never used flash modifiers, even though my SB200 came with a few colored filters. Have to wait until I know more about using a speed light to figure out the filters part!

Thanks for the information. Always happy to learn about something that may be useful for me.

Sounds like we will be learning together...best of luck to both of us!

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Nov 1, 2017 11:28:06   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Yes, I buy a lot of my stuff from B&H, no tax and 2 day delivery to Harrisburg, NC. I do buy some smaller items locally but the local shop just doesn't have a lot that I am interested in. Yes, I paid in the $48 range for it from B&H. The only error I ever encountered on their website was this item as it lists the height as 52" and it is actually 42". I even sent B&H a message to check it and correct it, but never checked to see if they did.

I later added a Matthews variable extension that fits the Background Stand pin and gets it to over 6 feet in height with the umbrella mount added. That extension was 30 some dollars. And it gives me another full height light stand if I want to use it that way. Very versatile combo. It all takes up little space and is light for the weight it will support, 22 pounds according to Matthews. I also like the background stand because you can get flash really low easily if you want to and the legs are low and out of the way. I lay a camera bag on the leg to add some stabilizing weight if needed outdoors. This is my goto Speedlite stand for Drag racing shooting.

I have tried several different umbrella stands and some are just not very well made. I have gone with the Phottix brand ones that are about $30. They are strong, lock well and I have used a 7' parabolic umbrella with one on a C stand...and sandbagged of course. I just don't want a Speedlite worth a few hundred dollars hitting the floor or ground if I can help it. Good stands and supports are important to safeguard your equipment I believe.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

SusanFromVermont wrote:
I looked at Matthews' website, and found their back light stand that sounds like the one you describe, at $69. Bookmarked it for future reference. Also see that B&H carries their products, which is convenient for me because B&H is in NYC making shipping time very short! [On B&H it is $49!] Had to look up the umbrella mount and MagMod modifier to better understand what they are for. I can see that the mount would be needed with the light stand. But have never used flash modifiers, even though my SB200 came with a few colored filters. Have to wait until I know more about using a speed light to figure out the filters part!

Thanks for the information. Always happy to learn about something that may be useful for me.
Susan
I looked at Matthews' website, and found their bac... (show quote)

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Nov 1, 2017 13:19:25   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
CaptainC wrote:
Tha is true if you move to get the SAME framing. If position does not change, DOF does not change. If camera-to-subject distance is constant, DOF will be constant.

Try these values using a DOF calculator
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/dof-calculator.htm

focal length = 50mm

camera-to-subject distance = 50'

f-stop = f/5.6

for FF/35mm camera, DOF is 23.9'- infinity

for 1.5 APS-C camera, DOF is 29.1' - 176.6

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