crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada

Good summary. I would only add that more MPs allows for cropping for compostion which is also a consideration. Probably not something a beginner would have an instinct for and whether they would be willing to pay big bucks for it.

G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK

As a landscape lover, there are very few tricks or camera features required - besides being there at the right time. So NO...an upgrade (beyong FF) is of little interest to me - personally. (Waiting for a Canon mk5 to slump into my price bracket)

However, Few people stop at one subject only. I currently own 10 different saws for example! They were bought to do widely different jobs. (from cutting trees to ceramic tiles) I have a P&S for 'people' I use the Canon for macro and 'fooling about' on holidays etc. I like to plan - so seporate cameras suits me. ( I can get away with saying 'sorry..wrong camera with me....and people accept that!!)

Some people like to have 'new things' (my car is 18 years old) it works! People now pay extortionate money to lease their car so that they can get a 'new' one every three years. If that is what it takes to keeps them happy ...who am I to disagree.

The problem only occurs with the beginner. Unsure that their camera is a 'good one' Whatever that means?
OR, the person that expects the camera to 'do all the work' for them. Then upping the all the specifications 'has to be better' doesn't it? Niether person is very confident in using the full potential of any camera.

But the upside of 'upgrading' is the confidence it inspires....It has got to be better ...I can see the difference...That is so much sharper/faster/ truer colours etc. How can that be a bad thing. It is after all why people swop makes of camera they use too.

Logic has absolutely nothing to do with photography....it is a creative pursuit! Oddly - if you feel good about your tools they DO seem to work better too.

have fun

ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or

Yes your upgrade will give you some improvements. But since you stated that you make large prints, to really have an improvement you need to move to a medium format. You can pick up a used medium format DSLR at about the same $$$$ as the D810. Happy Shooting

MacGregor Loc: North America

The analogy was apt and made the point well.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Having been a hunter for about 60 years and in many states I have never met a hunter who wanted to shoot any type of protected raptor, NEVER.

Forgive me if I am wrong but your comment is written just so you could say something even though it makes no logical sense. Really, birders who shoot their birds are looking for good photographic captures. In one post you have not only put down hunters who participate in a very old vocation/sport to put meat on the table but put down birders as well who simply like to take photos of bird species. Nice post.

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Are you unable to comprehend that photography, just like shooting, hunting, collecting firearms, target shooting, is a hobby. Actually they are two of the safest hobbies around. Nobody brought up bump stocks but you, in an attempt to put a bad onus on something that as been used for years with no law enforcement problems whatsoever. One man in Las Vegas used the bump stock illegally and you want to put it down. Why not put him or his illegal action down? Wouldn’t that be the common sense thing to do?

Dennis

Rongnongno Loc: FL

And all the folks who have a gun for one reason or another are coming out to beat on those who do not agree about using guns as a comparison.

ltcarizona typed: After all why spend money on a 44 Magnum when the 9mm can shoot more rounds more accurately and be just a deadly. Maybe because you want to be the big boy on the block. But in real life shooting cases the 9 mm for rounds on target accuracy would win out. Don't forget the other guy will be shooting at you.

So much the same with photography in a way.

The exact quote, in extenso implies that something would be shooting back. I have yet to see a bird to shoot back with the exception of pigeon pooping on an hapless tourist. Event that it is so rare that it is considered lucky...

As to shooting eagles... While many were killed due to poisoning many also were trophies. The regulations put in place to protect this species from trophies hunters worked. Nothing changed when it comes to poisoning. Do the math. The US 'hunters' almost killed its emblem to extinction. Something we seem to do all the time considering that our feet are really in bad shape after shooting at them all the time. (Deleted something that was a political comment).

You can support guns or be dead set against it, this has no place in the main photography channel. If you want to change this thread so it becomes an attic topic, go right ahead.

Personally I find the analogy disturbing to say the least. Now it may simply be an unfortunate comparison but there are other areas that make the whole thread iffy and are not related to 'guns'.

After checking ltcarizona profile I found another entry on guns... Its like shooting a gun.

Two entries are not a pattern yet it creates a disturbing coincidence. Why the fixation? Cooking works just as well, same a knitting. How about walking? Good shoes? Bad shoos? Brand name shoes? Walking wood stick or a with a carbon fiber cane that has an optional integrated GPS?

Consider birding... One needs the same skills as a hunter and as a wild life photographer. Birders, and photographers do not kill their quarries yet both are often over equipped and move like a herd of elephants. All three who are good at it can blend with the surroundings for hours at a time. Only one choose to kill. So hunter and photographers as a hobby comparison? Let me beg to differ. Many birders are also excellent photographers. HERE lies is a true comparison: same skill sets and no kill.

The result? Please keep the guns analogies (and debates) out of photography. It is simple as a request.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Another simple request: Bite me! Please.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Done and done.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

therwol Loc: USA

The best reason for this is that it gets people extremely agitated and flaming at each other. The OP asked a question about cameras, not about guns, but since the G word was in his post, all of this flaming started. Personally, I understood the analogy. I can see some flaws in it, but it didn't spark any emotion, and thankfully some people answered his post appropriately. After all, aren't we here to help one another?

bigdukeor

Thanks Crazydadio.
I agree with what you are saying. I do a lot of cropping (as needed), and the photos whether taken with a cell phone, a polaroid, or whatever, are going to be good depending on composition. As it improves, the other factors come in to play, and the quality can be increased with the equipment. My first slr was a Pentax, back in 1962. That was my upgrade from a Kodak Duoflex twin lens. After 4-5 years, a co-workers husband was coming home from Vietnam, and I asked if he could pick me up a Canon SLR (big price difference there). The quality of the slides from the Canon vs. the older Pentax at the time was tremendous.
My main reason for looking at the 810 is twofold. Lack of the internal filter (for sharpness) and the roughly 50% increase in Mp.

Time to get off the 'gun comparison'.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Your ignorance is off the charts wrongy. While personally I would never want a gun and most definitely would never point it at another human being, but if your life was in danger, why do you call 911? The police carry guns?

I’ll make a wild guess here and say that you are not a vegan. So it may be indirect, but you do promote killing of another species. I also assume that you drive a car, which kills 10s of thousands each year, yet if the member used a car analogy, you wouldn’t blink twice.

If you don’t like the post, why don’t you exercise your freedom and click on another thread? You don’t own this forum, you are just a guest. If your narrow mindedness can’t accept freedom of speech, as I suggested it many times in the past, start your on forum.

bigdukeor

First off, I am not a vegan, so get off your rant!
This is supposed to be about photography, so why don't you get on another line, and argue with those who may like your ranting.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

You may have missed it but I was replying to wrongy.

Unless the ADMIN says that the gun analogy is not allowed, you just have to deal with it.