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Oct 9, 2017 16:11:50   #
BigMike
 
Spider223 wrote:
Wow, Nice! They should be very happy with the photos!


Thank you.

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Oct 9, 2017 16:14:02   #
BigMike
 
mikeroetex wrote:
Nice work! I like your 3rd shot the best. I didn't see any exif data. What were your f stop and ISO?


F2.8, 1/640 iso 2000

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Oct 9, 2017 16:15:13   #
BigMike
 
crazydaddio wrote:
Great shots with the 70-200 2.8 ....
Noise is excellent (ie low)
Did you PP these or are these SOOC?

Regardless...quite useable. Well done.


I did a little pp in lightroom.

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Oct 9, 2017 16:16:26   #
Gampa
 
Very good focal points and overall clarity ... in limited light conditions

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Oct 9, 2017 16:16:42   #
BigMike
 
Bultaco wrote:
I think they are GREAT, I assume your using AFC with your BBF.


Yes. I used AFC. Still getting used too bbf.

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Oct 9, 2017 16:18:55   #
BigMike
 
Jules Karney wrote:
BigMike these shots are very good. Especially in low light which is hard to shoot in. Did you use any pp?


Yes a little pp. The stadium is new this year and has very nice LED lights which help tremendously. Thank for the compliments.

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Oct 9, 2017 16:23:54   #
BigMike
 
hankm1 wrote:
Very nice job . . . did your team win?


Thanks. Yes they won. Now 7-0

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Oct 9, 2017 17:29:32   #
BigMike
 
rcorne001 wrote:
Interesting your post appears now. I have the same setup D500 & f2.8 70-200 Tamron lens. I just watched a video in the Kelby One training library on this very subject. Some of the things he mentioned were (in no particular order):

-Set your shutter speed to 1/1000th. It is the magic speed to freeze motion.
-Use your camera's high ISO capability to get a nice bright image. You can darken an image and reduce noise, but lightening one always ADDs noise.
-Keep your image sharp. He does his in Lightroom and Photoshop.
-Crop everything but the "story". ie - extra players just standing around or watching the action.
-Watch your background. Try to eliminate things such as buildings and empty seats as much as possible.
-The guiding rule for sports images: "2 eyes and the ball". While there may be exceptions, the vast majority should show those things.
-With a shorter lens such as the 70-200, BE PATIENT and let the action come to you! You won't be able to get the shots on the opposite side of the field!
-Try to catch the extraordinary. Such as a player stretched out for the goal line, airborne or fully extended for a catch. The type of shot that makes people wonder "How did he get that photo?". Players run with the ball that's what they do. Try for something special.
-Let your image show it is part of the game. A shot of a single player with the ball in his hand could be a drill or perhaps he just picked it up. Let your audience see it is game action.

I watched that video because I was shooting soccer under the lights, figuring I could extrapolate some of his suggestions. I ended up setting my D500 to auto ISO max of 10,000! In LR, I applied a value of 25 to the luminosity and bumped saturation up by +5. Those settings may or may not work for someone else, but they were a good starting point for me. I then tried to resist the temptation to shoot anything further away than mid field. (Sometimes the temptation was just too great!) However, I came away with a different mindset. Good, bad or indifferent, I found myself discarding many more. Those I kept I felt a lot better about.

Maybe you'll be able to use some of the things I heard in the video as well.
Interesting your post appears now. I have the sam... (show quote)


Thanks. There are a lot of interesting points you presented. I usually shoot on manual and set my iso as low as possible while still trying to freeze the action. I don't think I ever had to go above 2500 for night time outdoor shooting. I do shoot in gymnasiums for volleyball and basketball and in some gyms the lighting is very poor and I had to push my iso. I don't like to go too high because of the noise and pp only does so much. The d500 does an awesome job and with the crop sensor it gives a little more reach (105-300). Thanks again for the pointers and I'm going to look for that video.

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Oct 9, 2017 17:35:15   #
BigMike
 
Wes wrote:
Great focus. Se have shot games for twenty years but we use video cameras. We can't use autofocus because it will catch a player running by nearer and try to focus on him. Your 500 must have very high ISo capabilities. Of course most stadium lights do provide sufficient lighting for film and video. You could come to work for us at any time.


Thanks for the compliments. The d500 does a great job. I use bbf for just the reason you stated, all the other players moving in front of your intended subject can really mess up a pic. I do try to keep my iso down around 2000 to help with the noise but the camera claims to have acceptable pictures at substantially higher iso's. (Into the 20000-30000 range) but I've never tried it.

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Oct 9, 2017 17:42:52   #
BigMike
 
twr25 wrote:
Great shots ... I would recommend the Tamrom 150-600mm lens (I use the Canon DX1 but it's avail for Nikon too) ... I'm on my second (G2) version and love this lens. I shoot football (and baseball and wildlife) all the time. The 70-200 just doesn't have the range to get in tight from the field edge. I do use the 24-70 lens on a second camera (Canon D810) for crowd and cheerleader shots. I'm about to upgrade to the D850. The real key is taking multiple shots in bursts to get the great action shots. A Manfrotto monopod is a great addition for long lens shots on the field.
Great shots ... I would recommend the Tamrom 150-6... (show quote)


Thanks for the compliments. Maybe I will rent the 150-600 to give it a try. The crop sensor does give me a little more reach but 150-600 would be really nice.

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Oct 9, 2017 19:23:59   #
rcorne001 Loc: Cary, NC
 
I had also gone with the "...shoot with the lowest ISO possible to reduce noise" approach. However, I always found I was increasing exposure to compensate for underexposing. Then more noise, then more noise reduction and then a softer image than I wanted. Try shooting auto ISO at 10,000 for a few images at a evening football game. Experiment and see what you come up with. Remember - you paid for all of that high ISO capability! LOL!

I had the 150-600 as well. But just traded it in on another D500. While the reach was nice, it was a bit slow. I think you will find yourself a bit challenging in low light situations. However, if you don't mind lugging it around, it will be nice for day shoots.

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Oct 9, 2017 19:43:33   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
BigMike wrote:
Thanks for the compliments. Maybe I will rent the 150-600 to give it a try. The crop sensor does give me a little more reach but 150-600 would be really nice.

For some on-field action (and gear lust), you might rent a copy of the Nikon 300mm f/2.8G AF-S VR II. Another idea, at least for a special game, would be the Nikon 200-400mm f/4G AF-S VR II.

It's now getting to be a few years ago when I used a D7100, a Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED AF-S VR, and a Nikon 1.4x III Teleconverter for Indiana HS soccer under the lights that were well-lit for this combo at f/4 and a bit more 'reach' to 280mm.

You have a few options to consider that provide wider aperture choices and Nikon's best AF performance that will rival a slower 3rd party 150-500 ...

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Oct 9, 2017 20:06:36   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
twr25 wrote:
Great shots ... I would recommend the Tamrom 150-600mm lens (I use the Canon DX1 but it's avail for Nikon too) ... I'm on my second (G2) version and love this lens. I shoot football (and baseball and wildlife) all the time. The 70-200 just doesn't have the range to get in tight from the field edge. I do use the 24-70 lens on a second camera (Canon D810) for crowd and cheerleader shots. I'm about to upgrade to the D850. The real key is taking multiple shots in bursts to get the great action shots. A Manfrotto monopod is a great addition for long lens shots on the field.
Great shots ... I would recommend the Tamrom 150-6... (show quote)


I use the Sigma version on 70D during the day and 5DmkIV at night. I sometimes put the 70-200 2.8 on the 6D or 70D at night and carry both in case the action comes to my side of the field. Have a strap on both so I can "drop" the 5d/sigma and grab the 70-200 quickly. (Use a BlackRapid double strap).

The F6.3 of the Sigma at night is a challenge. I usually have to run 1250+ shutter and a monopod is an absolute must when shooting at that distance. The motion on the field is much slower than the lens shake at full 600mm :-)

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Oct 9, 2017 22:25:55   #
ZPhoto Loc: Lancaster, PA
 
They look well done and sharp. Appears that this is your 1st, 2nd and 3rd attempt (I see 3 different games), but all are very well done nonetheless.

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Oct 12, 2017 17:01:39   #
wolvesaywe Loc: Hants England
 
First attempt eh? I reckon you might get good at this

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