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Oct 7, 2017 19:57:25   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
rpavich wrote:
You win.

Good enough for you?

I just want the OP to be able to do what she wants to do....if you want to nitpick...then fine. It's done, you've won.

I have developed a satisfactory way to deal with that pompous ass. When Barrow Boy appears on any thread, I automatically hit the unwatch button. He turns every thread into a personal forum to teach the world how smart he is and how dumb everybody else ends. He offers only negative remarks, never making any constructive suggestions.

BARROW BOY, don’t bother to respond. I’m hitting unwatch as soon as I hit send. And I have you on my ignore list! Up yours!!!

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Oct 7, 2017 20:20:43   #
joegim Loc: Long Island, NY
 

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Oct 7, 2017 20:21:54   #
joegim Loc: Long Island, NY
 
ricardo7 wrote:
Learn your STOPS:

f1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22 etc. Each change is 1 STOP

Shutter speed- 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60, 1/125, 1/250, 1/500, 1/1000 etc. Each change is 1 STOP

ISO--100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400 etc. Each change is 1 STOP

If you move one up, you have to move one down. If you move one down you have to move one up.

Digital cameras put everything is 1/3 stops, but if you know the fundamental numbers above, the rest all falls into place.
Learn your STOPS: br br f1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, ... (show quote)





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Oct 7, 2017 21:13:23   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Hank Radt wrote:
You're right, I didn't say how much - others did that and it didn't seem to click for you. Some people learn better by doing it themselves, so I gave you a suggestion as to how you might do this, never suggesting my way was the best. Nor did I post a picture.

But frankly, you've got 9 pages of folks trying to help you understand one of the fundamentals of photography, and it is apparently not working for you.

Maybe it is time to try something else.

And perhaps show a little gratitude.
You're right, I didn't say how much - others did t... (show quote)



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Oct 7, 2017 23:04:47   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
BebuLamar wrote:
What is the method in which you use to arrive at the equivalent exposure? For example you want an equivalent exposure of f/8.0, 1/125, ISO 100 but you want to use different settings that gives the same exposure how would you go about to do that?


Hi, Bebe,

Think in terms of aperture full stops, shutter full stops, and ISO full stops being equivalent and fungible.

Think in terms of bright stops and dark stops

If you change aperture one stop smaller that’s a dark stop and must be offset by either
a slower (doubling shutter duration)shutter stop (a bright stop) OR by a doubling of ISO (also a bright stop)
Whether a stop is bright or dark depends on its setting before you change it!

So first decide what creative effect you want. Are you after an aperture effect (DOF) , a shutter effect (stop or blur motion) or an ISO effect (permit a shot in reduced light by doubling ISO?…or reduce ISO one stop for possible reduced noise and less brightness?)

5he point is that given a base exposure, for its equivalent you must keep the bright stops changes and dark stop changes equally off-setting.

That concept has been well received in my classes and workshops.


...and Apaflo is correct. “Exposure” is the amount of light delivered to the sensor. The ISO determines how much brighter or darker the resulting image will be. We loosely and incorrectly use the term “exposure” when we really mean”image brightness”.

Dave

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Oct 8, 2017 08:46:13   #
photonutt1970
 
for every stop you move up on one of the exposure triangle you have to move down on another for example using your settings 1/125, F/8 at ISO 100, lets change the ISO to 200 you either have to go one stop up on the shutter speed or one step up on the F-stop( either 1/160 on the shutter speed or F/9 on the F-stop

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Oct 8, 2017 10:03:39   #
BebuLamar
 
photonutt1970 wrote:
for every stop you move up on one of the exposure triangle you have to move down on another for example using your settings 1/125, F/8 at ISO 100, lets change the ISO to 200 you either have to go one stop up on the shutter speed or one step up on the F-stop( either 1/160 on the shutter speed or F/9 on the F-stop


Thank you but one step up if 1/250 or f/11. But I thanks all. Now I have developed a method to do it. Thanks all.

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Oct 9, 2017 09:22:00   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
Here is a fun site for exposure,

http://camerasim.com/apps/camera-simulator/

http://photography-mapped.com/interact.html

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Oct 9, 2017 09:40:52   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
GalaxyCat wrote:
Wow! Wow! Wow! I gotta write this down! I understand changing shutter speed and/or size of the hole, but what does changing the ISO do in the digital camera?


I like to think of a water pipe with a valve emptying into a bucket as an analogy. An exposure is the act of opening the valve for some period of time.

Think of aperture as the diameter of a pipe, shutter speed is how long you hold the valve open, and ISO is the volume of a bucket that the light pours into. Over exposed means light (water) spills out. Under-exposed means the bucket didn't get filled as much as you could have.

So if you double the size (volume) of the bucket, you either open the valve half the amount as previous, or decrease the aperture by the equivalent amount. The equivalent amount is a little tricky, since the volume of the pipe depends on the square of the radius, so the factor to go up or down is the square root of two. Full f-stops are (approximately) multiples of each other by a factor of square root of two, approximately 1.4. So going from f/2 to f/2.8 is one full stop, since 2 x 1.4 = 2.8. Same for going from 2.8 to 4, 4 to 5.6, 5.6 to 8, etc.

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Oct 11, 2017 15:12:54   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
GalaxyCat wrote:
Wow! Wow! Wow! I gotta write this down! I understand changing shutter speed and/or size of the hole, but what does changing the ISO do in the digital camera?

The ISO is the digital measure of the sensitivity of the image chip to light. It is one one the three sides of the exposure triangle.

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Jan 8, 2018 23:12:53   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
BebuLamar wrote:
What is the method in which you use to arrive at the equivalent exposure? For example you want an equivalent exposure of f/8.0, 1/125, ISO 100 but you want to use different settings that gives the same exposure how would you go about to do that?


I use a mirrorless camera and I don’t even need to check the settings. It is easy.

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Jan 9, 2018 02:08:43   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
I don't know really if a triangle is actually the best way of thinking about it.

It's more like a balance scale you tend to balance the exposure speed with the aperture initially till one of them reaches the value you want. most often that tends to be aperture.

Then you look at shutter speed if hand holding you probably relate that to the focal length and subject.

Then adjusting the iso to compensate, more often than not you are looking for more sensitivity but if its less you can add filters.

One thing we tend to shy away from is using flash. If the scene has a large dynamic range the subject may need to be brighter and fill flash can do that. Or perhaps bounce some light back towards the subject with a reflector.

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Jan 9, 2018 11:29:52   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
I developed this for a class I taught to "seniors". I like it more than the triangle. Perhaps it will help someone.



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Jan 9, 2018 11:39:32   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
blackest wrote:
I don't know really if a triangle is actually the best way of thinking about it.

It's more like a balance scale you tend to balance the exposure speed with the aperture initially till one of them reaches the value you want. most often that tends to be aperture.

Then you look at shutter speed if hand holding you probably relate that to the focal length and subject.

Then adjusting the iso to compensate, more often than not you are looking for more sensitivity but if its less you can add filters.

One thing we tend to shy away from is using flash. If the scene has a large dynamic range the subject may need to be brighter and fill flash can do that. Or perhaps bounce some light back towards the subject with a reflector.
I don't know really if a triangle is actually the ... (show quote)





I agree.....Since only two things (aperture and Shutter speed) are really the only two that Control Light.....ISO does not control light, but sensitivity of the sensor to it.....so.....I set my iso and then adjust the aperture and SS to get what I want....Think of the old film days where you bought your film and then adjusted SS and aperture.......Same way with digital...only we can change the ASA (iso) without changing out the film roll, if needed.

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