swamp shutter wrote:
When i first became interested in photography there was nothing but film, back then you learned quickly to do a better job of taking your shots because after turning in your film to be developed you had to pay for your bad shots as well as your good ones. That made me a lot more careful about how i composed my shots. I remember when digital cameras first came out and the comment that a professional photographer made that digital was kind of like cheating and the more i think about it the more i agree with him. I'm not a professional photographer by any means but i do understand talent. Iv'e shot film most of my life until recently when i bought a digital camera because of the increasing hassle of finding film and getting it developed. I sent my old 35mm rebel xs off to be cleaned just before hurricane Erma and when it looked like it had been lost in the mail i honestly wished it was my new rebel t6 but luckily i got my film camera back. I read a post on here about someone wanting to know how to post photos on uhh and after reading all the things about reducing and cropping and all the other computerized language i wonder if the photos will still be of the same subject that was photographed in the first place. Is anyone a real photographer anymore? I've hesitated about posting any of my photos here because of what i considered to be superior photos being posted but now i wonder how many are just computerized images. Sorry for ranting. Swamp
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Good photography has always involved manipulation in the darkroom. Snapshots of birthday parties, trips to the zoo, and family parties were never meant to be masterpieces.
With digital photography, we use the camera and software to make the pictures we want. That's all that counts. If you don't have good composition and decent exposure, no amount of digital manipulation will make the image outstanding.
swamp shutter wrote:
When i first became interested in photography there was nothing but film, back then you learned quickly to do a better job of taking your shots because after turning in your film to be developed you had to pay for your bad shots as well as your good ones. That made me a lot more careful about how i composed my shots. I remember when digital cameras first came out and the comment that a professional photographer made that digital was kind of like cheating and the more i think about it the more i agree with him. I'm not a professional photographer by any means but i do understand talent. Iv'e shot film most of my life until recently when i bought a digital camera because of the increasing hassle of finding film and getting it developed. I sent my old 35mm rebel xs off to be cleaned just before hurricane Erma and when it looked like it had been lost in the mail i honestly wished it was my new rebel t6 but luckily i got my film camera back. I read a post on here about someone wanting to know how to post photos on uhh and after reading all the things about reducing and cropping and all the other computerized language i wonder if the photos will still be of the same subject that was photographed in the first place. Is anyone a real photographer anymore? I've hesitated about posting any of my photos here because of what i considered to be superior photos being posted but now i wonder how many are just computerized images. Sorry for ranting. Swamp
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Hope you got safely back under your rock after your rant.
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
The only thing that counts is the image, not how you got there.
I still shoot film. However the combination of digital photography and social media has been one of the most important things that made me improve as a photographer. I never could have afforded to process the amount of film i have shot in the last 10 years digitally. I never could afford all the equipment needed to process film. I can afford Lightroom and on line tutorials. I love film but without digital would not be at the level I'm at as a photographer now.
Should've dug me a bomb shelter. Some people sure are sensitive.
rjaywallace wrote:
Hope you got safely back under your rock after your rant.
rcdovala wrote:
If you've ever seen any of Ansel's darkroom notes for dodging and burning during exposure you would understand that he clearly believed in manipulation.
If you've ever seen any of his notes on chemistry, if starts before the dodging and burning. He went to a great deal of effort to "get it right in the camera"-- but that was just the beginning. If you've read his notes on "Moonrise Over Hernandez NM", you know that to get the shot he had to rush. The real work on that print begins after he clicked the shutter. FWIW, it's my favorite and to fully appreciate it, you have to see one as a print: not in a book, but in a gallery. The print was represented his best effort at presenting his vision.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
jerryc41 wrote:
Good photography has always involved manipulation in the darkroom. Snapshots of birthday parties, trips to the zoo, and family parties were never meant to be masterpieces.
With digital photography, we use the camera and software to make the pictures we want. That's all that counts. If you don't have good composition and decent exposure, no amount of digital manipulation will make the image outstanding.
It depends on what you mean by "great photography". Ansel Adams and other landscape photographers have become the model for today, but in the days of film there were other great photographers, like "Weegee" Fellig and Gary Winogrand, who were more interested in being in the street photographing life as it occurred {Fellig is the one credited with "F/8 and be there"} than in the lab "perfecting" something which already showed what they had seen.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
rjaywallace wrote:
Hope you got safely back under your rock after your rant.
Sometimes people here aren't very tolerant of those who disagree with them.
Please study the above replies and then take some digital pictures!!!!!!!
Thanks Richard! That worked. Guess i can stop bitchin now.
SharpShooter wrote:
Swamp, Welcome to the Hog!
BTW, there's a simple test for reality.
Hang your camera around your neck and look in the mirror!
If you see yourself, you're real.
If you don't see yourself, your not a real photographer!!!
SS
Even as a novice and total amateur who's been in and out of photography for decades, I know that the technology has moved the 'Dark Room' to the Personal Computer. Being like you and I'm sure most everyone else, I used to hate to pay for bad pictures but that's also because you paid someone else to develop your film, not to mention bad shots. Now quite frankly I like the fact there is the ability to develop you own photographs with a reduction in chemicals, time and overall costs and the ability to share the technology so easily....thanks technology. And as an amateur, I'm enjoying photography more now because I can get immediate feedback of how good or how bad a photo I took........Regardless you still have to compose the scene to get what you want in the photograph. I guess technology seems to move faster than some can accept.
If photography brings enjoyment to your life that makes you a 'real' photographer.
You can give someone a beautiful grand piano.....teach him to play chop sticks.....that doesn't make him a pianist.
swamp shutter wrote:
When i first became interested in photography there was nothing but film, back then you learned quickly to do a better job of taking your shots because after turning in your film to be developed you had to pay for your bad shots as well as your good ones. That made me a lot more careful about how i composed my shots. I remember when digital cameras first came out and the comment that a professional photographer made that digital was kind of like cheating and the more i think about it the more i agree with him. I'm not a professional photographer by any means but i do understand talent. Iv'e shot film most of my life until recently when i bought a digital camera because of the increasing hassle of finding film and getting it developed. I sent my old 35mm rebel xs off to be cleaned just before hurricane Erma and when it looked like it had been lost in the mail i honestly wished it was my new rebel t6 but luckily i got my film camera back. I read a post on here about someone wanting to know how to post photos on uhh and after reading all the things about reducing and cropping and all the other computerized language i wonder if the photos will still be of the same subject that was photographed in the first place. Is anyone a real photographer anymore? I've hesitated about posting any of my photos here because of what i considered to be superior photos being posted but now i wonder how many are just computerized images. Sorry for ranting. Swamp
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I agree Jerry, unless you shoot a lot of Kodachrome 64. Then it is trying to get it right in camera...
Best,
Todd Ferguson
jerryc41 wrote:
Good photography has always involved manipulation in the darkroom. Snapshots of birthday parties, trips to the zoo, and family parties were never meant to be masterpieces.
With digital photography, we use the camera and software to make the pictures we want. That's all that counts. If you don't have good composition and decent exposure, no amount of digital manipulation will make the image outstanding.
swamp shutter wrote:
When i first became interested in photography there was nothing but film, back then you learned quickly to do a better job of taking your shots because after turning in your film to be developed you had to pay for your bad shots as well as your good ones. That made me a lot more careful about how i composed my shots. I remember when digital cameras first came out and the comment that a professional photographer made that digital was kind of like cheating and the more i think about it the more i agree with him. I'm not a professional photographer by any means but i do understand talent. Iv'e shot film most of my life until recently when i bought a digital camera because of the increasing hassle of finding film and getting it developed. I sent my old 35mm rebel xs off to be cleaned just before hurricane Erma and when it looked like it had been lost in the mail i honestly wished it was my new rebel t6 but luckily i got my film camera back. I read a post on here about someone wanting to know how to post photos on uhh and after reading all the things about reducing and cropping and all the other computerized language i wonder if the photos will still be of the same subject that was photographed in the first place. Is anyone a real photographer anymore? I've hesitated about posting any of my photos here because of what i considered to be superior photos being posted but now i wonder how many are just computerized images. Sorry for ranting. Swamp
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To me, back in the film era, a "real" photographer didn't "turn in his film to be developed". Real photographers did their own darkroom work.
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