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Sep 22, 2017 09:32:57   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Peterff wrote:
No apology is required for using an analogy. If you or others consider my comment condescending that is your prerogative.

My sense of self is quite adequate, thank you.


But you are condescending, not just considered to be. When it comes to your sense of self, your cup runneth over which is another way of saying you're full of yourself.

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Sep 22, 2017 09:38:18   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
leftj wrote:
But you are condescending, not just considered to be. When it comes to your sense of self, your cup runneth over which is another way of saying you're full of yourself.


"You might well think that, I couldn't possibly comment." - Francis Urquhart.

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Sep 22, 2017 09:40:52   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Peterff wrote:
"You might well think that, I couldn't possibly comment." - Francis Urquhart.


A quote from a fictional character. How fitting.

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Sep 22, 2017 09:48:21   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
leftj wrote:
A quote from a fictional character. How fitting.


Well, at least you understood the reference. None of us are perfect, including your good self, as a review of anyone's posts will show.

Perhaps the question should be more about intent, motivation, and the resulting effect.

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Sep 22, 2017 09:56:08   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Peterff wrote:
Well, at least you understood the reference. None of us are perfect, including your good self, as a review of anyone's posts will show.

Perhaps the question should be more about intent, motivation, and the resulting effect.


Actually the question was regarding BBF and shutter speed.

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Sep 22, 2017 09:58:05   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
anneabc wrote:
Well, looking at my shot, I knew for sure the speed was too slow. But the problem seems to be that I missed the focus. Is that correct? I kept my finger on BBF the whole time and pressed the shutter release button at the same time. I could see that the focal point was not staying on her. Argh!!


It appears that with the composition that your focus point was on the young ladies sitting against the wall. You can move the focus point to the right in the view finder and maintain the same composition and your focus point would then be on your grand daughter. There are several ways to accomplish this shot.

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Sep 22, 2017 10:54:27   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
leftj wrote:
Actually the question was regarding BBF and shutter speed.


Ya think? I was responding to your comment.

The OP's question was not about BBF and shutter speed as you suggest, despite the title. It was about the quality of results he was getting from the techniques he was attempting to use, and the coordination of those separate functions.

Focus points, exposure, shutter speed, aperture and composition all affect the final image. Independent of anything else, that's four or more separate variables that need to be balanced and coordinated which is not easy to do.

An understanding of each of those aspects and their influence on the final image is important if the desired result is to be acheived.

It is clear from viewing the image posted by the OP and from parsing his question that he understands the principle issues but has not yet mastered coordinating them, which is not easy to do in such circumstances when there are so many variables in play.

There isn't really a quick fix to the OP's problem. The long fix is to understand each function, practice with them independently, and then how they work in combination.

It is not dissimilar to being able to drive a powerful rear wheel drive, stick shift vehicle on snowy mountain roads. Many people end up in the ditch as a direct result of insufficient understanding of the circumstances and the choices that they make.

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Sep 22, 2017 10:56:43   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Peterff wrote:
Ya think? I was responding to your comment.

The OP's question was not about BBF and shutter speed as you suggest, despite the title. It was about the quality of results he was getting from the techniques he was attempting to use, and the coordination of those separate functions.

Focus points, exposure, shutter speed, aperture and composition all affect the final image. Independent of anything else, that's four or more separate variables that need to be balanced and coordinated which is not easy to do.

An understanding of each of those aspects and their influence on the final image is important if the desired result is to be acheived.

It is clear from viewing the image posted by the OP and from parsing his question that he understands the principle issues but has not yet mastered coordinating them which is not easy to do in such circumstances when there are so many variables in play.

There isn't really a quick fix to the OP's problem. The long fix is to understand each function, practice with them independently, and then how they work in combination.

It is not dissimilar to being able to drive a powerful rear wheel drive, stick shift vehicle on snowy mountain roads. Many people end up in the ditch as a direct result of insufficient understanding of the circumstances and the choices that they make.
Ya think? I was responding to your comment. br br... (show quote)


I think you would probably be better off on a driving forum.

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Sep 22, 2017 10:59:25   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
leftj wrote:
I think you would probably be better off on a driving forum.


Ya think? I sometimes wonder about that!

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Sep 22, 2017 11:29:06   #
anneabc
 
It's certainly not just Hoggers that have been so wonderful with advice. It's Youtube videos.

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Sep 22, 2017 11:32:52   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
anneabc wrote:
...I keep holding down the back button AND RECOMPOSE, I miss the focus....


There's your problem.

After achieving focus and BEFORE you RECOMPOSE, you have to release the back button you're using for focus. If you don't, the camera will re-focus on whatever is covered by the active AF point(s).

Think of back button focusing as giving you a means of starting and stopping AF separately from the shutter release button.

BBF is popular with sports photographers, in particular, because of situations just like that in your photo. Shooting sports, there's simply no time to change the AF point, as some others have suggested. BBF is the ONLY way to effectively use "focus and recompose" technique when using a continuous focus mode (AF-C, in the case of Nikon) such as is pretty much required for sports or any other type of action photography.

It has nothing at all to do with shutter speed, as mentioned in the title of your post.

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Sep 22, 2017 11:36:37   #
anneabc
 
Thanks, amfoto1, so what I've been doing is holding the bbf button down when recomposing.
Now, does this rule apply to stationary subjects also while recomposing? AF-S?

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Sep 22, 2017 11:56:01   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
amfoto1 wrote:
There's your problem.

After achieving focus and BEFORE you RECOMPOSE, you have to release the back button you're using for focus. If you don't, the camera will re-focus on whatever is covered by the active AF point(s).

Think of back button focusing as giving you a means of starting and stopping AF separately from the shutter release button.

BBF is popular with sports photographers, in particular, because of situations just like that in your photo. Shooting sports, there's simply no time to change the AF point, as some others have suggested. BBF is the ONLY way to effectively use "focus and recompose" technique when using a continuous focus mode (AF-C, in the case of Nikon) such as is pretty much required for sports or any other type of action photography.

It has nothing at all to do with shutter speed, as mentioned in the title of your post.
There's your problem. br br After achieving focu... (show quote)


If you're on "one shot" auto focus BBF will not refocus unless you release and then press it again.

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Sep 22, 2017 11:57:38   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
anneabc wrote:
Thanks, amfoto1, so what I've been doing is holding the bbf button down when recomposing.
Now, does this rule apply to stationary subjects also while recomposing? AF-S?


I think you have got the concept now. It isn't really about BBF so much as what each button or function performs. BBF is not the same as continuous or servo focus. It is simply which button activates a function. Press / release captures focus, but doesn't change it until pressed and captured again. No need to refocus if the distance does not change. If the subject is moving, continuous refocusing makes sense, so holding the focus button down makes sense. The same applies to metering / exposure. If using spot metering then locking the exposure and then recomposing is a choice. Changing the composition will clearly make a difference to those things.

Essentially you are choosing to control the focus points and metering points of the image, rather than letting the camera do it for you. Focus, exposure and composition are separate things that you need to control if you wish to take control yourself. These things are not easy, and understanding how any type of automation works is important if you wish to be the person that controls the decision process. Automation isn't a bad thing, quite the contrary, but if you don't understand what it does then it can become very confusing.

Ask Mark Zuckerberg!

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Sep 22, 2017 12:02:25   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
Peterff wrote:
No apology is required for using an analogy. If you or others consider my comment condescending that is your prerogative.

My sense of self is quite adequate, thank you, and I was only following your own style of communication!


Dear boy, I do not pontificate. Besides your rambling diatribe was not directed towards me. It was in response to someone else with a question.

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