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Aug 28, 2017 11:05:53   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Art is in the eye of the beholder. If my vision is to take an image and manipulate it into a final result that is closer to a painting than a photograph, then that is what I will do as an artist.
If somebody prefers doing it "all in the camera," that that is their vision.



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Aug 28, 2017 11:28:38   #
ecurb1105
 
So, never say in one sentence what you can say in six paragraphs?

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Aug 28, 2017 11:33:17   #
dynaquest1 Loc: Austin, Texas
 
Didn't/couldn't read....way too long for me. Not sure if there was a purpose to your post other than rambling on.....

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Aug 28, 2017 11:53:05   #
joel.photography
 
I don't usually read long posts, but this was interesting and informative.

The term SOOC is moot and meaningless. It means you'd rather have a Nikon, Canon or Sony engineer style your pics than doing it yourself.

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Aug 28, 2017 12:05:39   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
MLAnderson wrote:
Post production is OK until it starts to look unnatural. You have all seen them, photographs that look like paintings or modern art.




I can't agree with your statement more.
Thanks for it.

Charles

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Aug 28, 2017 12:30:51   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Well thought out and nicely written. I agree 100%

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Aug 28, 2017 12:40:58   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
That makes no sense. In film photography, if there is no lab work, there is no photograph. Anyone who shot B&W film either did lab work, and more than just straight prints, or had someone do it for him. You must never have done any darkroom work.

I shot Kodachrome; I never entered a DarkRoom - not even the summer I worked for a film processing company {when I emptied the film drier all day}. Everything after I pressed the shutter button was automation by experts - exactly the same as SOOC.

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Aug 28, 2017 12:46:55   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
My mantra is, "This is what I see...do you like it?" From unvarnished straight-out-of-the-camera images to heavily processed artistic interpretations, everything can be a valid expression of the photographer's art. One is not better than the other, they are just different, and each can be magnificent in its own right.

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Aug 28, 2017 13:07:54   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Mark Wallace, a local pro photographer, who also does a lot of tutorial videos for Adorama, opined he felt there is not a photo created that does not need PP. I think his analysis works for me as well.

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Aug 28, 2017 13:10:47   #
KHy
 
This is a topic which triggers examination of assumptions about the medium itself. We live in a Modernist illusion that there is an objective reality and that photography is the medium which can "capture" it. We forget that every image has been composed, selected, framed, and even if we are using pre-set "automatic" functions of aperture and shutter speed, they have been previously decided as well. All of those decisions, and more, influence the image and its meaning as much as any post-production activities or operations. The question is not that photographers influence the images they create, but to what degree, and with what degree of mastery. I say, hurray for straight photography, and for post production as well, just own our intentions and our roles as photographers as being an integral part of the photographic the process. It is simply silly to require ourselves to present images which pretend to be completely "objective."

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Aug 28, 2017 13:16:31   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
I'm not new to photography but am new to PP. I appreciate the scholarly article for the historic take, though I'm going to go ahead and just do what I want to do. After 60 years of taking photos on vacation or of my kids, I have plenty of mountain, sea, and portrait photos. Now I'm enjoying making my own brand of art using LR. I have found, though, that starting with a good image means I have less to do in PP before I start fiddling with it to make it "art". So getting a good photo straight out of the camera is my first step.

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Aug 28, 2017 13:23:54   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
rehess wrote:
I shot Kodachrome; I never entered a DarkRoom - not even the summer I worked for a film processing company {when I emptied the film drier all day}. Everything after I pressed the shutter button was automation by experts - exactly the same as SOOC.


I was replying to your post about Nick Ut, who didn't shoot exclusively slide film, and certainly did, or had done, lab work on his B&W photographs.

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Aug 28, 2017 13:25:15   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
cthahn wrote:
Where did you copy this from. Are we all supposed to be impressed.


I do not care whether he copied some or all of this from somewhere else or from his brain. If he got it somewhere else, the citation is probably on part 2--but I see no indication that he did.
And yes, I AM IMPRESSED.

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Aug 28, 2017 13:34:46   #
2Much Loc: WA
 
Do they make browsers without "back" buttons? All that I've used provide an exit much quicker (hopefully!) than the shortest attention span...

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Aug 28, 2017 13:37:17   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
OutBack wrote:
Sorry but post production was disgraced at the turn of the century(1900) when it was all the rage to alter photos in any way that would enhance sales. The world got so fed up that the purist movement banished most bad shooters by not buying their work!

The truth is that even the Pueblo moon rise was re-done over 2500 times; only the negative was not altered and Bill Gates owns it now and the reproduction rights to it.

Post-production is not a new thing.


Just a bit of info on the particular print you are referring to, Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico shot in 1941. This was his most difficult negative to print, "with a contrast range of perhaps a thousand to one." His last print made from this negative was in 1980 when he was 78. From 1979 to 1980 he made over 100 perfect Moonrise prints as museum prints as part of a set. "In all, Ansel produced approximately 1300 orininal prints from this negative during his lifetime, far more than from any of his others."

There was a debate about who owned the negative, as he had taken the shot on a trip financed by the National Park Service, but did not make the shot on behalf of the Park Service. In the end, it was determined that the negative did belong to him.

Ansel's collection of images went to the University of Arizona where they agreed to establish a Center for Creative Photography. No one is allowed to sell prints from the collection. In 1975 the Ansel Adams Publishing Rights Trust was formed and a Board set up and it appears to be that this particular negative is still under control of the Board.

I would be interested to know what publication you read that said Bill Gates owned this negative. All quotes and information came from Ansel Adams: A Biography, Mary Street Alinder, who was his closet and last assistant and wrote or co-wrote much of his biography information included in other publications in addition to the biography she wrote.

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