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Aug 19, 2017 16:13:54   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Ooh, I hit a nerve. I called you on that phoney quote about liberals that George Orwell never made. You aren't honest enough to admit you were wrong, or able to prove you were right.

You're changing the conversation trying to bolster your opinion that Orwell was a libertarian. Unfortunately he never said he was. The libertarian movement has been around for more than two centuries. He said he was a democratic socialist. I gave you a quote and a citation from Orwell's own pen. In case you missed it the first time, he said in 1946 "The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." You haven't proven or disproven anything. I gave you a quote and a citation. You are giving back opinion to support your bias against "lefties" and "pacifists".

Alternative facts are not ”The flaccid epitaph thrown by Lefties whose agenda has been disproven by facts that they didn’t provide themselves and fall outside of their narrow propaganda narrative" as you claim. Wow, that's a mouthful of hogwash. Alternative facts are untruths, lies made of whole cloth, or total misunderstandings in opposition to real facts, which can be proven. Your quote about liberals that Orwell never made, and your assertion he was a libertarian, are alternative (ie, unproven, contrary to actual proof) facts.

Unlike you, I don't dismiss anyone's beliefs because of a label. I'm not a "half libertarian" because I agree with Ron Paul's foreign policy and disgree with his domestic one. I'm not a half Trump supporter because I do agree with things he says that make sense to me, and recognize when he is spewing pure real estate salesman BS. I think for myself. Maybe I'm the libertarian. But thinking about it, maybe I'm more of a democratic socialist like Bernie and George Orwell.

NorCal Bohemian wrote:
“More Alternative Facts:” The flaccid epitaph thrown by Lefties whose agenda has been disproven by facts that they didn’t provide themselves and fall outside of their narrow propaganda narrative.

You were actually lucid when you replied to larryepage: “The problem today is that the labels no longer apply in politics. They are just labels and talking points. They mean something different depending on who is using them."
You should listen to yourself when you get it right! And yet, you continue to throw out labels and define other people’s viewpoints – be they Orwell’s, larryepage’s or mine – through your own hyper partisan narrow filter.

What did I say? “He was an original thinker, and doesn't fit in a neat box. Individualist, and Libertarian, I think, is a pretty good description.”

And what did you say? “We saw something similar with Ron Paul. Domestically he was a total conservative, but was an isolationist regarding foreign policy and military spending. So as a "liberal" and "progressive" I agreed with his foreign policy, but not his domestic one.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian, and even ran for President as a Libertarian. So are you saying that you are half Libertarian?

Not even Libertarians can come close to agreeing what Libertarian means. As the very recent meaning seems to have drifted towards a belief in fundamentalist minimalism in government, many are migrating towards the similar, but more encompassing, philosophy called “Classical Liberal”. Seeing as the Democrats and other lefties abandoned the term and belief in “Liberal” positions for “Progressive” policies – it’s only fit that those who believe in the fundamental rights of the individual – as ensconced in our Bill of Rights and the philosophy of the “Enlightenment” on which it is based, would reclaim the more original meaning of “Liberal”.

George Orwell was a Libertarian in his belief in the rights of the individual to be free from government oppression. Regarding foreign policy and military spending, by today’s definition of Libertarian – you are right that he is not.
“Pacifist: Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”
George Orwell

“Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifist, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries. … Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of fascism. All in all it is difficult to not to feel that pacifism … is inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty.”
George Orwell

“All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometime violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”
George Orwell

“Thereupon the people picked a leader nearer their mood, Churchill, who was at any rate able to grasp that wars are not won without fighting. Later, perhaps, they will pick another leader who can grasp that only Socialist nations can fight effectively.”
George Orwell

If you don’t understand that Orwell was an Individualist – than you truly don’t understand Orwell. He was not an economist; he was a novelist and a journalist. He didn’t preach a particular economic system orthodoxy – he wrote from the more emotional perspective of the individual being crushed by orthodoxy and totalitarian systems.
George Orwell learned from his experiences and changed as he grew. Is that so hard to comprehend?
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Aug 19, 2017 17:48:20   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
NorCal Bohemian wrote:
If you are implying that we got a little off topic - you would be correct! We got wayyyyy off topic. But we can try to bring it back. The OP asked about film from WWII. George Orwell lived during WWII. As he was most likely photographed during the same time period as the OP's film - what type of film do you think that it may have been? Probably not AGFA - given the war and all. Most likely Kodak, but did the British ever manufacture their own film - or cameras? Iv'e never been to the U.K. - and that was before my time, and so honestly don't know.
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Probably Kodak Double-X. It's a movie film now, but was once spooled for still cameras.

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Aug 19, 2017 19:26:59   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
Again, what was the original topic?

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Aug 19, 2017 19:26:59   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
Again, what was the original topic?

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Aug 19, 2017 19:33:45   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
He wants to know the best way to get prints and have them preserved. I gave him an option as have others. Where George Orwell came into this is open for debate. I personally, don't see a connection.

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Aug 20, 2017 00:44:45   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
NorCal Bohemian wrote:
did the British ever manufacture their own film - or cameras? Iv'e never been to the U.K. - and that was before my time, and so honestly don't know.

According to their web site,
https://www.ilfordphoto.com/about-us/history/
Ilford has been manufacturing roll film since 1912


Tim Stapp wrote:
in my experience, scanning b&w negatives leads to less than optimal results.

Tim Stapp wrote:
I might add, scanning optically printed prints leads to better results. I can do that for you as well.

My experience has been just the opposite. Especially with B&W, I've found that a lot of detail is lost in printing, and something lost cannot be found via scanning.

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Aug 20, 2017 14:01:54   #
NorCal Bohemian
 
burkphoto wrote:
Probably Kodak Double-X. It's a movie film now, but was once spooled for still cameras.


Thank you for your quick reply! Having recently seen the movie “Dunkirk”, I guess that I have WWII and the heroism of British citizens on my mind. Kodak was certainly an international brand, and so could have been used. As rehess suggests this morning, Ilford was manufacturing film in Britain at the time, and so also is a likely possibility. I’ve been out of the photography business for 17 years now, and Ilford had completely slipped my mind.
I do want to thank you for your frequent informative posts. While there is a lot of bad information that gets posted on UHH, I find that you stand out amongst a handful of knowledgeable and credible posters in giving your time to share your valuable knowledge and insights. As I am reacquainting myself with the world of photography in the 21st century – I greatly appreciate your information and advice. Given some of the cranky blowhards spewing misinformation on this site, your generally excellent posts keep me from signing off! Thank you for making UHH worth reading!

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Aug 20, 2017 14:41:10   #
NorCal Bohemian
 
rehess wrote:
My experience has been just the opposite. Especially with B&W, I've found that a lot of detail is lost in printing, and something lost cannot be found via scanning.


Thank you for your answer and the link to Ilford history. I had completely forgotten that they were a British company.

I agree with you in your reply to Tim Stapp. I worked in the Graphic Arts industry for years, and was a technical sales representative for graphic cameras for many of them. In analogue photography and graphic arts prepress - it is always true that every generation of reproduction degrades an image, even if only to a small degree. To preserve a likely brittle negative and possibly historically important photograph, a high quality scan of the negative to be used for digital printing will yield the best archival results. A first generation print or series of prints, from the negative, on archival paper could also be a solution. The advantage of the scanned film is in the limiting of the handling of the delicate negative and the potential to make high quality prints in the future.

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Aug 20, 2017 15:42:57   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
Most thoughtful approach! Given the history of the negatives and their potential value,. You might consider checking with AGX Imaging in Sault Saint Marie, MI. He does strictly E6 processing and drum scanning. He runs a very tight operation and is very approachable. No affiliation, just know of him and his reputation.

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Aug 20, 2017 16:02:05   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
NorCal Bohemian wrote:
Thank you for your answer and the link to Ilford history. I had completely forgotten that they were a British company.

I agree with you in your reply to Tim Stapp. I worked in the Graphic Arts industry for years, and was a technical sales representative for graphic cameras for many of them. In analogue photography and graphic arts prepress - it is always true that every generation of reproduction degrades an image, even if only to a small degree. To preserve a likely brittle negative and possibly historically important photograph, a high quality scan of the negative to be used for digital printing will yield the best archival results. A first generation print or series of prints, from the negative, on archival paper could also be a solution. The advantage of the scanned film is in the limiting of the handling of the delicate negative and the potential to make high quality prints in the future.
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Since you mention Ilford, they run a film scanning service which could be of interest for this: https://www.ilfordlab.com/

They will scan at very high quality. I think that large scans are for download only. Could be worth an inquiry. You can still buy Ilford HP5 film.

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Aug 20, 2017 19:06:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Peterff wrote:
Since you mention Ilford, they run a film scanning service which could be of interest for this: https://www.ilfordlab.com/

They will scan at very high quality. I think that large scans are for download only. Could be worth an inquiry. You can still buy Ilford HP5 film.


Gotta love Ilford film if you're still using film. HP5/HP5+ was my favorite B&W film.

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Aug 20, 2017 19:47:14   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
I use it a lot in 4x5. FP4+ as well.

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Aug 20, 2017 20:04:32   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
NorCal Bohemian wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply! Having recently seen the movie “Dunkirk”, I guess that I have WWII and the heroism of British citizens on my mind. Kodak was certainly an international brand, and so could have been used. As rehess suggests this morning, Ilford was manufacturing film in Britain at the time, and so also is a likely possibility. I’ve been out of the photography business for 17 years now, and Ilford had completely slipped my mind.
I do want to thank you for your frequent informative posts. While there is a lot of bad information that gets posted on UHH, I find that you stand out amongst a handful of knowledgeable and credible posters in giving your time to share your valuable knowledge and insights. As I am reacquainting myself with the world of photography in the 21st century – I greatly appreciate your information and advice. Given some of the cranky blowhards spewing misinformation on this site, your generally excellent posts keep me from signing off! Thank you for making UHH worth reading!
Thank you for your quick reply! Having recently se... (show quote)


Thanks!

There are some UHH members who actually still use Double X film. It is re-spooled from 400' rolls into 135 size cassettes by some online retailers. The current version is a movie film stock first formulated in 1959.

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