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Aug 18, 2017 03:40:32   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
NorCal Bohemian wrote:
the Tatars - not "that Taters"! my spellcheck is failing me - and my "edit" tab disappeared!


No worries. Expelling all the potatoes would not make much sense, especially if you drink vodka, and expelling all the 'tarts' would put an even bigger dampener on things!

Isn't language fun!

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Aug 18, 2017 04:01:47   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
larryepage wrote:
If you use Google, "George Orwell conservative" reveals several scholarly articles discussing his change of thinking after he volunteered to fight with the revolution in the Spanish Civil War but became disillusioned with the side for which he was fighting and changed his views.


Perhaps we should also consider what is actually meant or interpreted by the terms socialist, liberal, conservative and so on. They mean different things to different people, and are not mutually exclusive depending on the context.

It reminds me of joke that a speaker at a conservative convention told in the run up to the 2012 election.

A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar. The barman says, "Hi Mitt!"

First, as a joke, I find it pretty funny. What the speaker didn't seem to comprehend was that as a practicing Mormon Mitt Romney wasn't very likely to walk into a bar.

However, back to the topic, WWII is very significant and had a profound impact on the world. Any record of those events is worth preserving and curating.

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Aug 18, 2017 09:55:41   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Peterff wrote:
Very well said, Sir. I'm a Brit, and we carry a huge legacy of wrong doing in the world's history. We don't seem to get tarred much by the brush of slavery, yet it was the second sons of British aristocracy that were frequently the plantation owners. Our ships that transported enslaved people from Africa to the West Indies and the Americas, and many died in transit. Then all the idiotic things that we have done in the British Imperial era, drawing boundaries and setting laws that we are all still having trouble with today.

Being an immigrant to the USA (yes, legal for anyone that cares) I find the complexities of US history fascinating. I enjoy the very diverse cultures that I have experienced, north, south, east or west. Big cities and remote small town dive bars. There are good people everywhere, and there are also some bad. Respect for people and their history and circumstances is very important, and has been very helpful in maintaining my personal safety in certain places. On the other hand there are people, places, or circumstances that are best avoided, here, in the UK, or elsewhere.

One of my favorite comments about the civil war came from a guy in a bar in New Orleans - one of my favorite cities: "Civil war? There was nothing civil about it!"

When I was a young teenager my father said something that became hard wired in my brain: "Everyone you meet, regardless of what they look like, regardless of their station in life, deserves your respect. They know something that you don't know. They can do something that you can't do. They deserve your respect, and your job is to find out why."

That advice has saved my ass several times. He also said some other things that registered with me. About being in the Egyptian desert during WWII: "You had to be careful about the water. Boil it three times, then throw it away and drink beer!" My favorite - which he later declined to own up to - was: "When wine, women, and song get too much for you, give up singing!"

Cheers, and thank you for your excellent viewpoint on the cultures that we live in.
Very well said, Sir. I'm a Brit, and we carry a h... (show quote)


And back at you. Oh, your father gave you great advice!

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Aug 18, 2017 10:00:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
That's a pretty impressive rig! If I can't get my new Win 10 computer to play nice with my Minolta film scanner (and it doesn't seem to want to!) I may have to try to build something like that. But first I would need a macro lens. GAS attack coming!?


A good macro lens can be had used for $200 to $400. New, they are around $300 to $600.

I needed to do this, but my twin boys just started college, so money was tight. I was able to tell my wife, "Hey, I spent $5.42 on the diffusion material used on the light source. The rest was leftover junk or gear I already had!"

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Aug 18, 2017 10:53:43   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
You keep repeating these alternative facts. Why don't you cite one of these "scholarly articles"? Becoming an anti-communist is not the same as becoming a conservative. Let me repeat that because you keep missing the point or keep ignoring it. Becoming an anti-communist is not the same as becoming a conservative. He was and remained a socialist. Let me repeat that again, you missed it or choose to ignore it. He was and remained a socialist. He condemned the Communists he had previously aligned himself with because they abandoned their socialist ideals and became a totalitarian dictatorship under Stalin. (Like Pol Pot in Cambodia abandoned his socialist rhetoric and became a ruthless totalitarian dictator in the 1960's.) That was the whole point of Orwell's books Animal Farm and 1984. You are using a bunch of labels but seem to have no idea what they mean. Yes, like many intellectuals in the US and England, he changed his views on Communism because Communism changed. But he never became a conservative.

larryepage wrote:
If you use Google, "George Orwell conservative" reveals several scholarly articles discussing his change of thinking after he volunteered to fight with the revolution in the Spanish Civil War but became disillusioned with the side for which he was fighting and changed his views.

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Aug 18, 2017 11:03:05   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
[quote=Bobspez]You keep repeating these alternative facts. Why don't you cite one of these "scholarly articles"? Becoming an anti-communist is not the same as becoming a conservative.

Actually, if you consider that he was still a liberal, it makes the argument even more interesting in the current environment.

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Aug 18, 2017 11:21:11   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
The only thing I objected to was your statement that Orwell was a well-known liberal-turned-conservative. To me that's like saying Jesus was a Pharisee. The problem today is that the labels no longer apply in politics. They are just labels and talking points. They mean something different depending on who is using them. Thinking of Hillary as a liberal or Trump as a conservative is a perfect example. Neither is either. Back in 1964 when Goldwater ran against Johnson those labels described what the men stood for. Even then, Johnson pursuing the war was a departure from his liberal agenda domestically. Liberals praised his domestic policy and protested his foreign policy to the extent he chose to retire from politics. We saw something similar with Ron Paul. Domestically he was a total conservative, but was an isolationist regarding foreign policy and military spending. So as a "liberal" and "progressive" I agreed with his foreign policy, but not his domestic one. It's all too complicated to be described with the terms liberal and conservative any more. It's all just buzz words for the news networks.
larryepage wrote:
Bobspez wrote:
You keep repeating these alternative facts. Why don't you cite one of these "scholarly articles"? Becoming an anti-communist is not the same as becoming a conservative.


Actually, if you consider that he was still a liberal, it makes the argument even more interesting in the current environment.

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Aug 18, 2017 12:34:04   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
NorCal Bohemian wrote:
larryepage is mostly correct. George Orwell was a socialist when he was young, but changed his views after his adventures fighting against Franco in Spain and on seeing Stalin's totalitarian brutality. Anyone who has read "Animal Farm" could not believe that Orwell was a socialist. I don't think that "conservative" describes him, either. He was an original thinker, and doesn't fit in a neat box. Individualist, and Libertarian, I think, is a pretty good description.

“The enemies of intellectual liberty always try to present their case as a plea for discipline versus individualism. The issue truth – versus - untruth is as far as possible kept in the background.”
George Orwell - penname of Eric Arthur Blair, English novelist, essayist, journalist, anti-totalitarian social critic. (1903-1950)

“The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.”
George Orwell

“As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.”
George Orwell

“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ' Socialism ' and ' Communism ' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.”
George Orwell

“The tendency of advanced capitalism has been to enlarge the middle class and not to wipe it out, as it once seemed likely to do.”
George Orwell

“Liberal: a power worshipper without power.”
George Orwell

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.”
George Orwell

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
George Orwell“ from "Animal Farm"

“In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.”
George Orwell

"I worked out an anarchistic theory that all government is evil, that the punishment always does more harm than the crime and the people can be trusted to behave decently if you will only let them alone.”
George Orwell
larryepage is mostly correct. George Orwell was a ... (show quote)




Sounds pretty darned Libertarian to me! GREAT quotes from an exceptional thinker. And to think he died in 1950 and not last week... amazingly timeless.

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Aug 18, 2017 15:50:19   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
More alternative facts.
Your quote ... “Liberal: a power worshipper without power.”
George Orwell .. has often been attributed to him but he never wrote or said it. No one has ever come up with any citation for this quote, or given the work or speech it supposedly came from. It's just partisan hogwash.
Libertarian? Not likely. Another uninformed guess.
From his essay "Why I Write", published in 1946 (the year I was born) he expressed his own political beliefs.

" The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/897/



NorCal Bohemian wrote:
larryepage is mostly correct. George Orwell was a socialist when he was young, but changed his views after his adventures fighting against Franco in Spain and on seeing Stalin's totalitarian brutality. Anyone who has read "Animal Farm" could not believe that Orwell was a socialist. I don't think that "conservative" describes him, either. He was an original thinker, and doesn't fit in a neat box. Individualist, and Libertarian, I think, is a pretty good description.

“The enemies of intellectual liberty always try to present their case as a plea for discipline versus individualism. The issue truth – versus - untruth is as far as possible kept in the background.”
George Orwell - penname of Eric Arthur Blair, English novelist, essayist, journalist, anti-totalitarian social critic. (1903-1950)

“The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.”
George Orwell

“As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.”
George Orwell

“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ' Socialism ' and ' Communism ' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.”
George Orwell

“The tendency of advanced capitalism has been to enlarge the middle class and not to wipe it out, as it once seemed likely to do.”
George Orwell

“Liberal: a power worshipper without power.”
George Orwell

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.”
George Orwell

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
George Orwell“ from "Animal Farm"

“In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.”
George Orwell

"I worked out an anarchistic theory that all government is evil, that the punishment always does more harm than the crime and the people can be trusted to behave decently if you will only let them alone.”
George Orwell
larryepage is mostly correct. George Orwell was a ... (show quote)

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Aug 18, 2017 16:06:27   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
James Slick wrote:
There are film scanners that can handle 120 film (the likely format your negs are) as well as 35mm film. Or you could farm the job out. There's still plenty of photographers using 120/220 (medium format) film today.( I shoot some 120 myself a few times a year) Getting these digitalized shouldn't be to hard or expensive. It would be nice to have them preserved! Good Luck.


As another member indicated, the Epson scanners are excellent. 35mm and 120 film. The Perfection Photo series. I have the V500,
but the latest models are the V600s. Very economical and excellent quality imaging.I got mine at the Epson Store online.
They have sales on non-current models. I got mine for $105. Retail $189. >Alan

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Aug 18, 2017 19:00:27   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
O.P. I would absolutely treasure the opportunity to print your negatives optically for you. Only cost would be for materials. I don't scan negatives: for digital, I shoot digital. I do have the ability to print optically from 35 mm negatives up to 4x5. I can do color, if it is necessary. PM me about this. If absolutely required, I can borrow a scanner. But, in my experience, scanning b&w negatives leads to less than optimal results.

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Aug 18, 2017 19:03:00   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
I might add, scanning optically printed prints leads to better results. I can do that for you as well.

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Aug 19, 2017 12:21:56   #
NorCal Bohemian
 
Bobspez wrote:
More alternative facts.


“More Alternative Facts:” The flaccid epitaph thrown by Lefties whose agenda has been disproven by facts that they didn’t provide themselves and fall outside of their narrow propaganda narrative.

You were actually lucid when you replied to larryepage: “The problem today is that the labels no longer apply in politics. They are just labels and talking points. They mean something different depending on who is using them."
You should listen to yourself when you get it right! And yet, you continue to throw out labels and define other people’s viewpoints – be they Orwell’s, larryepage’s or mine – through your own hyper partisan narrow filter.

What did I say? “He was an original thinker, and doesn't fit in a neat box. Individualist, and Libertarian, I think, is a pretty good description.”

And what did you say? “We saw something similar with Ron Paul. Domestically he was a total conservative, but was an isolationist regarding foreign policy and military spending. So as a "liberal" and "progressive" I agreed with his foreign policy, but not his domestic one.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian, and even ran for President as a Libertarian. So are you saying that you are half Libertarian?

Not even Libertarians can come close to agreeing what Libertarian means. As the very recent meaning seems to have drifted towards a belief in fundamentalist minimalism in government, many are migrating towards the similar, but more encompassing, philosophy called “Classical Liberal”. Seeing as the Democrats and other lefties abandoned the term and belief in “Liberal” positions for “Progressive” policies – it’s only fit that those who believe in the fundamental rights of the individual – as ensconced in our Bill of Rights and the philosophy of the “Enlightenment” on which it is based, would reclaim the more original meaning of “Liberal”.

George Orwell was a Libertarian in his belief in the rights of the individual to be free from government oppression. Regarding foreign policy and military spending, by today’s definition of Libertarian – you are right that he is not.
“Pacifist: Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”
George Orwell

“Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifist, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries. … Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of fascism. All in all it is difficult to not to feel that pacifism … is inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty.”
George Orwell

“All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometime violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.”
George Orwell

“Thereupon the people picked a leader nearer their mood, Churchill, who was at any rate able to grasp that wars are not won without fighting. Later, perhaps, they will pick another leader who can grasp that only Socialist nations can fight effectively.”
George Orwell

If you don’t understand that Orwell was an Individualist – than you truly don’t understand Orwell. He was not an economist; he was a novelist and a journalist. He didn’t preach a particular economic system orthodoxy – he wrote from the more emotional perspective of the individual being crushed by orthodoxy and totalitarian systems.
George Orwell learned from his experiences and changed as he grew. Is that so hard to comprehend?

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Aug 19, 2017 14:59:23   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
What was the original post again?

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Aug 19, 2017 15:48:42   #
NorCal Bohemian
 
Tim Stapp wrote:
What was the original post again?

If you are implying that we got a little off topic - you would be correct! We got wayyyyy off topic. But we can try to bring it back. The OP asked about film from WWII. George Orwell lived during WWII. As he was most likely photographed during the same time period as the OP's film - what type of film do you think that it may have been? Probably not AGFA - given the war and all. Most likely Kodak, but did the British ever manufacture their own film - or cameras? Iv'e never been to the U.K. - and that was before my time, and so honestly don't know.

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