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Aug 19, 2017 11:00:34   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
salmander wrote:
Nothing like the current choice. Whatever faults she may or may not have, she's a fully embedded part of the system, and wouldn't have been the loose cannon we now have. She would have been predictable and consistent with her policies. Whatever you think of her, she would've been a professional. Trump is not even a good amateur. Many of us who have zero interest and experience with politics would've done a much better job.


Like her "Reset button with Russia" where did that get us. The fact that you point out "she's a fully embedded part of the system" is why she lost the election, the American people had enough after 8 years of Obama, says a lot about his egotistical legacy. Whatever faults President Trump has and there are many he is a breath of fresh air in DC. He tells it like he sees it and is honest about his feelings. Honesty is something you seldom see or hear from politicians, both parties, they never answer a question. No I don't agree with everything our President does or says. His job has been so much harder then President Obama due to the fact that the liberal news media got a hit to their head with his victory and he has had to fight them on every step.They were out to get him before he even started. What short memories, Hillary had more then enough electoral college votes to win in a land slide, so the media said over and over. Talk about rotten egg on your face. What I can't understand is why the Democrats didn't join the President and provide the votes to repeal the ACA. That would have put the monkey on the Republicans back to have to fix it. Right now it is the brainchild of the Democrat party, President Obama and all the nitwits that signed it into law without reading it and it is failing. It needs fixing, no where in our Constitution does it say that health care is a right of citizenship. Look at the billions of dollars that we the Americans give to other people around the world whenever there is a crisis, whatever happened to the old phrase "Charity begins at home"? We have a real mess on our hands and both parties to blame, as long as the politicians can divide us against ourselves they will continue on their merry way. We need to elect new people that can and will work for our welfare and step over party lines. Way past time for ALL the old politicians to retire, both sides. Now if only the news media would let us think for ourselves and stop trying to think for us we'd all be in better shape, report the news and not try to make it the way they think it should be. Hey, it's Saturday and there's a lot to do, you all have a good weekend and hope you are all here next week!

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Aug 19, 2017 11:02:00   #
Otis
 
I think it is your fault. And all the other idiots that are trying to turn America into a liberal Eurosewer.
ken_stern wrote:
News Flash:
Steve Bannon is leaving the White House

With all these folks either leaving and or getting "Shit Canned" --- It eventually comes down to the only one to blame -------
"Is The Obvious"

Looking forward to the
"FINAL LEAVING"

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Aug 19, 2017 11:06:05   #
Otis
 
First it is not tweeter, it is twitter you twit. Second the media is not trying to hold him accountable they are trying to destroy him.
DavidPhares wrote:
He is no doubt a wiz when it comes to running a business, where he has no checks and balances, nor a press to hold him accountable, but he does not have a clue as to how to be the President of the United States! Period. Also, very sad. Someone needs to take his tweeter away from him.

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Aug 19, 2017 11:08:38   #
Otis
 
You only say that because the media has said that. It is a talking point for those of you that can't think nor analyze the facts themselves.
melismus wrote:
No, look at the record. He was a lousy businessman, too; only succeeded by cheating and ruthlessness.

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Aug 19, 2017 11:16:18   #
fhadfield
 
Should have known that sooner or later the liberal ass wipes would rear their empty heads.

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Aug 19, 2017 11:38:26   #
Bmarsh Loc: Bellaire, MI
 
jaymatt wrote:
Look at it this way: He's not perfect, but he's a refreshing leader after the terrible mess Obama got us into in the last eight years. And there's one scarier thought: The crooked Clinton witch might have been elected.

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Aug 19, 2017 12:03:16   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
What is not going unnoticed is Trump's firing his close followers implies. Who will accept an Administrative job? If one is talented and well informed on some subject, who will jeapordise their future career just to walk a narrow line in some job for Trump. What one does today does have an effect on what you get to do tomorrow. To run a large, complicated thing, as the USA givernment is, requires people of superior talent. To work for Trump does put ones future at some risk.

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Aug 19, 2017 12:08:09   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Since when has Incompetence mixed with Ignorance ever been considered as Refreshing?
The definition of truly sad is:
Continuing to act, vote & preach against your own Self Interest

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Aug 19, 2017 12:10:02   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
About the theme of the post, I agree. But on Trump's use of bankruptcy, there might be more to understood than is, at first, apparent. I recall a writer way back in 2016 saying that Trump played the bankruptcy laws well and came out a winner. His point seened to be that Trump used bankruptcy to screw some creditors. He also noted the bankruptcys were not personnal but were businesses. The writer used some disdinctnesses that went over my head. I am not a busines type, you see.


salmander wrote:
He has gone bankrupt six times. No one who is a wiz at business goes bankrupt six times. Once, maybe twice, if the circumstances were bad, but six times is a sign of failure, not success. This shows that he is really a bad businessman. He has survived these bankruptcies by stiffing his subcontractors. He used the money he should have paid them for his own extravagant needs, enabling his survival. And he has been sued 100s of times, mostly by these subcontractors. He is/was an unethical businessman. Survival is not the same as being good in business. His business history is not a reason to hold him in high regard.

His inability to run a "tight ship" as a business, carries over as President. He does not know how to gather necessary information and personnel for his Presidential duties, nor does he seem capable of thinking carefully about what he is about to do or say. That's how he doesn't know how to be a good President either.
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Aug 19, 2017 12:15:32   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
I am not so sure on the "failure in the original choices" part. If we recall the Comey affair, the matter of 'loyally' arose. Does being loyal to Trump necessarily mean an appointee will be practically effective at some task. Yes, No, Maybe depending on the boss' expectation.

salmander wrote:
Turnover may be good if capable, experienced people are chosen to begin with, and they are able to add something positive during their tenure before being let go. Turnover is not good if the personnel are let go within a short period of time - Scaramucci lasted only nine days. This is a sign of failure in the original choices of these individuals. If turnover is common, then the original plan was ill conceived and executed. It is a sign of failure, not an acceptable process in the function of a business or governmental position.
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Aug 19, 2017 13:23:58   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
salmander wrote:
He has gone bankrupt six times. No one who is a wiz at business goes bankrupt six times. Once, maybe twice, if the circumstances were bad, but six times is a sign of failure, not success. This shows that he is really a bad businessman. He has survived these bankruptcies by stiffing his subcontractors. He used the money he should have paid them for his own extravagant needs, enabling his survival. And he has been sued 100s of times, mostly by these subcontractors. He is/was an unethical businessman. Survival is not the same as being good in business. His business history is not a reason to hold him in high regard.

His inability to run a "tight ship" as a business, carries over as President. He does not know how to gather necessary information and personnel for his Presidential duties, nor does he seem capable of thinking carefully about what he is about to do or say. That's how he doesn't know how to be a good President either.
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But how come he is worth several billion dollars? Got to remember that most politicians are in it for the money - not what they can do. When their income is disrupted they quit.

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Aug 19, 2017 13:56:27   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Well now let's say your Dad started you off with a really-really big bundle of tax free cash ---
I know what your about to say --- Just an other fine example of another "self made man" hard working dude achieving the "AMERICAN DREAM"

I'll grant you he is one hell; of a salesman --- Why I bet he could even sell you the shirt off your back ---
A truly great, wonderful, super neat, all American Hero (with bone spur's & all) guy we should all along with our children be looking up to !!!!!!
My final Hope:
When they finally get around to placing D.T"s glorious - Blond hair & orange face - image on a stamp --- I for one hope it's on the side we get to lick

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Aug 19, 2017 14:41:54   #
fhadfield
 
I always enjoyed the Hoag's chit chat section until now. I despise liberals and their political views. The chit chat section for me has been about everything else. Give you tree hugging whiny left leaning commie assholes enough time and, as you now have, the solice of the Hedgehog general chit chat section will be ruined.

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Aug 19, 2017 14:51:57   #
Bmarsh Loc: Bellaire, MI
 
fhadfield wrote:
I always enjoyed the Hoag's chit chat section until now. I despise liberals and their political views. The chit chat section for me has been about everything else. Give you tree hugging whiny left leaning commie assholes enough time and, as you now have, the solice of the Hedgehog general chit chat section will be ruined.




So tell us what you really think...

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Aug 19, 2017 15:01:23   #
salmander
 
RRS wrote:
The fact that you point out "she's a fully embedded part of the system" is why she lost the election.... Whatever faults President Trump has and there are many he is a breath of fresh air in DC. He tells it like he sees it and is honest about his feelings. Honesty is something you seldom see or hear from politicians, both parties, they never answer a question. No I don't agree with everything our President does or says... What I can't understand is why the Democrats didn't join the President and provide the votes to repeal the ACA. That would have put the monkey on the Republicans back to have to fix it.... We have a real mess on our hands and both parties to blame, as long as the politicians can divide us against ourselves they will continue on their merry way. We need to elect new people that can and will work for our welfare and step over party lines. Way past time for ALL the old politicians to retire, both sides.
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She lost the election, because Trump voters voted for change and hope. Sounds good, and there's been change all right, but a lot of negative change that is difficult to defend. The "fully embedded in the system" was not an outright endorsement, but meant that we would have more of the same, bad as it was, but not the seemingly downhill path we seem to be on currently, with losing our prestige with essentially every other country in the world, except Russia, the loosening of environmental and safety standards that will eventually cost American lives - the list goes on. "More of the same" would have been preferable to what we're getting now. It may feel like a "breath of fresh air" now, but it is rapidly becoming stale. It's not going to get better, because he is an amateur politician, he doesn't know how to pick good advisors and he doesn't trust them, and he doesn't know how to think in depth about anything. His spontaneous outbursts on Twitter prove this. Sure, he is honest about his feelings, but they are not the feelings of someone who knows what he is doing. And his honesty is skin deep. He has lied more than any other President in history, so far. More than 300 times - you can look it up. The lists say what the lie was, when he said it, and what the truth of the matter is, and we're not talking opinion here. Many times he said one thing during his candidacy, and then did something else while in office. Trump voters were conned.

The ACA has problems, for sure, but one of the best things about it was the availability of medical care for pre-existing conditions. The Trumpcare attempts saved money by taking out the money for pre-existing conditions and giving it all to the very rich! Really? The rich don't need any more money, and it has been proven that any positive effects on the economy would be minuscule. Removing the pre-existing part will cause many people to die. This is not an opinion. You can look it up. If it was a serious attempt at repealing the ACA, they would have used the money saved to improve it in the ways it needed improvement. The Republicans were rabid about the repeal - they didn't care one bit about the Americans affected, except themselves and the very rich. The Republicans had at least seven years to come up with a better plan, with no ideas. What's wrong with them? The idea that they could, or would, fix it after repeal goes against reason.

"We need to elect new people that (sic) can and will work for our welfare and step over party lines." True, but, unfortunately, Trump has shown himself to be incapable of either action.

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