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Aug 19, 2017 10:42:33   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
richosob wrote:
Al Sharpton has already called or the removal of the Washington memorial, so Jefferson and other founding fathers won't be far behind. When is this going to stop, will all of the statues in Washington be torn down?


And so it grows! So MLK, the new Black History Museum, Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks statues have to go! SAD! FREAKING SAD!

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Aug 19, 2017 11:15:07   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
DaveC1 wrote:
I feel sorry for all of you folks who feel this way. The goal of the Southern generals was to support the separation from the union in order to maintain ownership of slaves. The goal of the founding fathers, Washington, Jefferson, etc. was to create the union (big difference.) Nobody's taking down a Washington statue. To proclaim otherwise is to just sip more of the "Kool Aid".

As was pointed out above these statues were erected for the sole purpose of letting blacks know who was still in charge. Decedents of both Robert E Lee and Stone Wall Jackson have publicly stated they should come down.

I have looked at politics from both sides as I voted Republican up until the 2004 election when I could no longer stomach the Republican lies.

If there is a parallel to be drawn between today and 1860 it is the fact that the vast majority of the south were not slave owners yet they fought and died to support that institution. Today most of the Republicans vote against their own economic best interest in favor of the interests of the Koch brothers.
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This is why I hate politics, local, State, Federal, they are all the same! Crooked!

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Aug 19, 2017 11:16:44   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
philo wrote:
Trump was right..........both sides are wrong and must be stopped. The question is how to do this. Hate is taught to the very young and it is almost impossible to unlearn it.


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Aug 19, 2017 11:18:01   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
DaveC1 wrote:
The history books used in southern states have used such excuses for the civil war to avoid the ugly truth for a very long time.


Hmm! Under Federal Common Core, aren't all books the same? Just asking because Common Core sucks!

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Aug 19, 2017 11:24:40   #
WayneT Loc: Paris, TN
 
Term limits, think term limits. 4 terms for representatives and 2 terms for senators. That will keep any single person from getting to powerful. I think our forefathers would agree as they hadn't planed for professional politicians.

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Aug 19, 2017 11:52:56   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
Tet68survivor wrote:
Hmm! Under Federal Common Core, aren't all books the same? Just asking because Common Core sucks!


NO!

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Aug 19, 2017 11:53:04   #
duffy021049 Loc: Colorado
 
Old Grey Beard wrote:
β€œThe Monuments Must Go!” β€” The alt-left


β€œThat’s exactly what we said!” β€” the Taliban


It's not showing the picture that was with this thought.



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Aug 19, 2017 11:56:51   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
jaymatt wrote:
I call it what I want because I have a master's degree in American History and have studied the event rather thoroughly. Believe it or not, slavery was a by-product--an important one to be sure, but it was not the real root of the problem.


And so does my wife. Having a masters degree does not mean you necessarily know what your talking about. Sorry, but if slavery had been eliminated at the constitutional convention there would not have been a civil war. Instead the can got kicked down the road until Lincoln was elected. At that point there was a "rush for the door."

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Aug 19, 2017 12:00:06   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
WayneT wrote:
Term limits, think term limits. 4 terms for representatives and 2 terms for senators. That will keep any single person from getting to powerful. I think our forefathers would agree as they hadn't planed for professional politicians.


No, an informed and voting public is the answer. All term limits do is insure the loss of institutional expertise and having elected officials who know very little about what they are supposed to be doing over time.

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Aug 19, 2017 12:03:53   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
Tet68survivor wrote:
This is why I hate politics, local, State, Federal, they are all the same! Crooked!


Unfortunately we're all in this life boat together. That goes back to my statement about an informed voting public as the answer. And if everyone walks away from politics we end up with a dictatorship, so think about that for a moment.

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Aug 19, 2017 12:59:20   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
richosob wrote:
There are a lot of frustrated people, our way of life is under attack. The left has successfully taken down statues of the south's leaders and will now start on our forefathers. They want to tear down the very foundation of this country and they're succeeding. The media has capitulated to the far left, they will now run stories everyday crucifying Trump, because of Trump's statements on Charlottesville anybody that voted for him is now a Nazi sympathizer and a racist. The left has millions of dollars from guys like Soros and others. Americans are in danger of losing their freedoms but nobody seems to want to show the far left for what they really are.

Rich
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Aug 19, 2017 13:20:43   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
DyanCB wrote:
The statue removal is not about slave ownership. It is about promoting racist attitudes and fear in people of color. Most of the statues were placed during the era of Jim Crow by groups that wanted to keep people of color "in their place" when more equal rights were being won. In case you don't know when the US practiced Jim Crow, we are talking about 1896-1953. These laws promoted racial segregation. These statues were placed to celebrate racial segregation and oppression. In a country as diverse as ours why celebrate racial oppression?
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Ah Yes, Jim Crow, another famous Democrat.

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Aug 19, 2017 13:28:10   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
WayneT wrote:
As much as I hate the ideology of the white supremacist and the Nazi's they had a permit to march in Charlottesville, a permit that was originally turned down by the city until the ACLU got involved. The opposing organization's did not have a permit to be there. As far as I'm concerned the alt-left created the problem. What would have happened if they and the press just ignored them and didn't show up. There is just as much stupidity on both sides and it needs to stop.


I really think, with the exception of the Ahole ramming his car down the street, that this whole event was orchestrated for an unseen political purpose. Police asked to stand down, trucked in counter protestors, Governor and other politicians repeating what are obvious prepared talking points. Just seems too obvious.

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Aug 19, 2017 13:30:18   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
WNYShooter wrote:
I really think, with the exception of the Ahole ramming his car down the street, that this whole event was orchestrated for an unseen political purpose. Police asked to stand down, trucked in counter protestors, Governor and other politicians repeating what are obvious prepared talking points. Just seems too obvious.

Just coincidence, yeah, right.

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Aug 19, 2017 14:09:10   #
SBW
 
revhen wrote:
Sir -- You TOTALLY miss the point of what's happening. Compare Washington and Lee. Washington was a slave owner who helped create the country. Lee was a slave owner who wanted to split the country. Unfortunately, you agree with the Nazis, not the Americans.


You are a very ignorant imbecile.

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