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Aug 15, 2017 09:15:25   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
papakatz45 wrote:
Unless you have done an extensive poll of all the members of this site you cannot make the statement that "most" do not use filters. My statement that "some" do not use filters is correct. If you have done a poll please post the results.


I didn't realize that my statement was confined to just the members of this site nor did I realize they speak for the majority of DSLR owners. Foolish argument. Are you remotely aware of the benefits of UV filters on DSLR's? The age old protection discussion was not referenced by the OP.

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Aug 15, 2017 09:23:16   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
I am still working to decide whether UV or haze filters are needed optically or not. But I still believe that it is easier and better to prevent 'distortion' to an image in the first place than to try to remove it later without making other inadvertent alterations to the image.

But what I do know is that glass lens elements are fragile. And the coatings on those lens elements are even more fragile. It is incredibly easy in case of accident to scratch the coating on the front of the objective lens, and that scratch is the same as a scratch in the glass. Cleaning can also result in scratches, and cleaning over time will erode the surface of the coating. A filter with good optical quality provides protection against this damage and wear even if you do not want or need the optical benefit. Of course, surface erosion over time is the same risk with a coated filter, but if it occurs, you are only out the cost of a new filter, not of a new lens or a lens repair.

In the end, each of us is free to do our own analyses and make our own choices. But in this and many other areas, we are not free to claim that our choice is the only valid one.

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Aug 15, 2017 11:53:54   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
If you are one of the exhaulted Photographers who can afford a Leica, you should not quibble about the cost of filters.

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Aug 15, 2017 11:54:59   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
And to think I used to buy used glass filters at Frank's Highland Park Camera (in Los Angeles) for less than $4 apiece. A few of those seem like coke bottle bottoms now.


Frank's Highland Park Cameras! Wow. Building is still there but are listed as permanently closed.. Spent a lot of $$ there in the film days.

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Aug 15, 2017 20:42:45   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
There is a definite difference between needing and wanting to provide a bit of protection for lens front elements.
--Bob
leftj wrote:
Unless you're shooting film you don't need UV or haze filters.

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Aug 15, 2017 22:16:02   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Frank's Highland Park Cameras! Wow. Building is still there but are listed as permanently closed.. Spent a lot of $$ there in the film days.


I figured at least one other person on the UHH knew the place. Oh, I have so many stories about that store and their staff. Frank was a real nut job and so were the other members of his family for the most part. Once Frank broke his leg skiing and would not stay off of it to let it heal. It was not healing correctly so he was in a lot of pain and fumbling around for a long time. The story I heard from a photo classmate of mine around 1979 at also happened to work there at the time was that Frank was so picky and paranoid that he insisted on running the cash register himself. Family and other staff members would scream and curse at one another. I swear I've seen staff there get angry and throw a camera! Though, in its day, some of the best stock and prices in the Los Angeles County area! I hear he and his family escaped the "iron curtain" on foot under gun fire! Perhaps the red army was not shooting to stop him.

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Aug 16, 2017 06:11:14   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
binsjohn wrote:
Over the years as I've bought more and more expensive cameras and lenses I've bought more and more expensive filters (UV, haze, CPL, ND). All the while I've taken it on faith that more expensive filters mean better photos. Now I'm getting into Leica gear and need some new filter sizes and I'm still asking myself what the differences will really be. Is there any way to know the best way to go without buying multiple filters and comparing them? Any and all insights much appreciated.


This is EXACTLY why I purchase filters in a size equal to or larger than my largest diameter lens (or the diameter of the largest lens I'm considering buying). All of my current filters are 77mm which matches my 80-400mm Nikkor lens. (Yes, I purchased the filters quite a bit before the lens). But I purchase filter adapters for each of my smaller diameter lenses taking them to the 77mm size. I also purchased ALL 77mm lens caps. This makes it so that I don't have to search the bag or whatever to make sure that I got the right lens cap, filter or whatever on the lens. Plus, I only have to purchase one (or maybe a backup) of each of my very expensive filters. Especially my circular polarizers and neutral density filters but also including a haze, etc. This distributes the cost of expensive but good filters across all of my lenses rather than having one filter for each lens. I'm sure that there is a down side to this but it is what works for me.

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Aug 16, 2017 06:51:59   #
stevetassi
 
Stick with the well know filter brands and you can't go wrong. UV filters are unnecessary for digital. If you want a filter for protection, get a clear one I personally use the hood for protection.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:27:26   #
Crombie
 
Hi, years ago a main stream magazine made tests using a Leica 50 Summicron with and without a Leica UV filter and the resolution loss was a almost 20%. And yes they tried additional copies of the expensive Leica UV with the same shocking results.

A filter is like adding an additional front element to your lense and if we think it's of the same optical precision and quality as say a Leica front element we're kidding ourselves. I wander what the cost would be for a Summicron front element or for that matter a Nikon, Canon 85 1.4...oh boy.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:34:46   #
Haydon
 
This argument about protective lenses is as senseless as a Nikon & Canon argument. It doesn't matter what others think, what matters is what you think. Simple, you can't and won't sway people's belief systems. It's like asking a religion change :)

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Aug 16, 2017 08:42:46   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Haydon wrote:
This argument about protective lenses is as senseless as a Nikon & Canon argument. It doesn't matter what others think, what matters is what you think. Simple, you can't and won't sway people's belief systems. It's like asking a religion change :)


Where in the OP was the protective aspect introduced?

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Aug 16, 2017 09:10:21   #
Crombie
 
If you're paying a premium price for a lens expecting it'll give you the sharpest possible image then it only makes sense to take some time to research what filter(s) are consistent with your expectations. I'm a retired freelancer photojournalist with 30 years experience including combat assignments and had but one front element damaged.

The published lense tests usually look for ghosting, flare, etc. and how many times have they done these tests with and without a filter. Give this a wee bit of thought as to the why.

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Aug 16, 2017 09:13:38   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
stevetassi wrote:
Stick with the well know filter brands and you can't go wrong.

While you may not go wrong, you can do better in the higher lines of each of the major brands. The coatings are usually superior in light transmission anti-reflection, and durability in the more expensive lines of each filter manufacturer. In CPLs the actual polarizing film used often transmits more light in the costlier lines. This applies to Hoya, B+W and others.

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Aug 16, 2017 09:27:28   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
For protection, I use a hood not a filter.

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Aug 16, 2017 09:31:04   #
Crombie
 
I agree with ya, a hood is best.

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