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Aug 16, 2017 08:17:43   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
<snip>my seemingly fun comment about shifting away from my a7ii may create more turmoil than I anticipated. Maybe I need to keep my mouth shut.


Maybe if you had actually said "shifting" instead of "downgrading" there would have been no "turmoil." Moving from equipment that does not work for you to equipment that does is not "downgrading" it is ... well... moving from equipment that does not work for you to equipment that does.

How can moving from a system that does not have the lenses you need to one that does be a downgrade? A camera is only a part of a system, it is not the whole system. It is why I went with Canon instead of Nikon when I started in digital. Of course the recent great lenses by Sigma and Tamron did not exist then and might have affected my choice. If I were just starting out now, I might go with a mirrorless since, by the time someone just starting out now, would hit a lens barrier there will be better affordable mirrorless lenses. Of course I am not just starting out, am invested in my system and need lenses not yet available to mirrorless.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:34:04   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Cameras and lenses are only tools. Tools are only as good as the operator. When we do our part our gear does its part.
You have a very good camera and decent lenses now it is up to you to obtain the quality it is capable of.
Learn more about the basics of photography. Learn your gear.
It is up to you.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:39:04   #
Chas66
 
See the new equipment and results you wish to get as a challenge and it may refresh your interest. I always enjoy getting to know new equipment. You have a very good set of kit, get out there and practice, try something familiar and then something out of your comfort zone and I bet you start to love photography with your new kit again.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:42:53   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
You guys really give me encouragement. and are wonderful amateur psychologists. Thank you.

I believe that I am in the photographic doldrums for a few reasons:

1.) I'm getting older and can't hold my camera as steady as I used to;

2.) I don't have a good "walking around" lens for my a7ii. The choices are somewhat limited and too heavy, which makes me long for my old Canon 70D and the excellent 18-85 lens (?) I used to used so much. I don't like carrying a heavy camera bag and changing lenses.

I also shoot with a Sony RX10ii. I love this camera in spite of the size of the sensor, because of the range of its zoom lens, 18-200. The a7ii should take better photos with its full frame sensor, but I need a good lens akin to the 18-200 on the RX10ii. I haven't found it yet. Perhaps I consider other lens options, like an adapter and the Tamron lens discussed in a recent UHH discussion.

3.) My hobby is very solitary, so I don't shoot as much as I would like. The camera club in my city is very cliquish and not very welcoming, and none of my personal friends are camera bugs.

A few good shoots, and some excellent photos to edit, is probably all I need to spark my enthusiasm. If I get out and shoot more regularly, I will become more comfortable with my a7ii and more confident with my abilities. Perhaps I should rewatch one of the rather long Gary Fong tutorials as well.

Enough rambling around. It's not time to abandon my a7ii. I just need to work with it more.
You guys really give me encouragement. and are won... (show quote)


I am in somewhat the same boat regarding the lack of steadiness that comes with age. My doctor told me that using heavier objects, such as weighted eating utensils, helps steady your hands. I have found this to be true with my camera too and now seldom use my much lighter D90. I now shoot with my D800 almost exclusively, even when I could get by with the lower resolution of my DX camera, and now only buy lenses with built in vibration reduction. The combination of the VR lenses, using a bumped-up shutter speed and the weight of the heavier camera actually helps me hold the camera steadier most of the time; although the weight can also be a downside too. Since you know how to use a complex camera, you should experiment with different weight combinations first, before you change equipment, to establish what feels comfortable to you. Once you have established what is physically comfortable for you, it may help the other issues fall into place because the equipment will not loom as an issue.

As to the basic artistic slump, people have made good suggestions and you should try many of them until you break your cycle.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:50:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I have been a casual photographer for many years. I understand the exposure triangle and composition parameters, but there is so much I don't know.

I have traded upwards over the years from various Canons and now find myself owning a full-frame Sony a7ii, and a few lenses, including the 35 mm 2.8, the 70-200 f4 G lens and the 28-70 kit lens.

In my discouraged state of mind, I'm considering downgrading back to Canon, probably an 80D, or maybe venturing into smaller format Nikons.

Is this crazy? Should I just continue to struggle with the excellent equipment I currently use?
I have been a casual photographer for many years. ... (show quote)


Quit trying different cameras, thinking they will automatically improve your photography. The solution is to improve your knowledge and practice what you learn.

Read the fine manual. Read books! Watch YouTube videos. Take trips with the goal of recording at least 100 images each day.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:50:28   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
Very interesting discussion and some really good, heartfelt advice.

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Aug 16, 2017 08:53:17   #
kmocabee
 
As a teen in the 1970s, I used a Nikon F, no meter, and a Luna Pro handheld meter. With only 2 exposure settings - shutter speed and aperture - you learn quickly about how to handle difficult lighting, controlling depth of field, selecting the right film for the task, etc.

I now have a Nikon D7000 and wouldn't ever go back to the old days. The control and flexibility I get now is amazing, and I can "go manual" anytime I wish. And of course, Photoshop and Lightroom give me more options than hours in a darkroom ever could.

That said, the experiences I had with a manual camera serves me well to this day, and I think we have lost something with all of the automation. Like every advancement, something is gained, and something is lost. I sometimes look at my photographs taken using my automatic settings, and realize that I wasn't thinking, just shooting, which is a great luxury to let the camera just do the work. So I work to make sure I'm in charge, and not the camera, and that means spending a lot of time experimenting and RTFM!

When I retire sometime down the road, I plan on getting a 5x7 view camera and go back to my roots, at least for part of my shooting. But I'll never give up my D7000 (or whatever advanced camera I have).

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Aug 16, 2017 09:14:01   #
cthahn
 
You problem is you think a new camera will take better pictures and continuing to purchase new equipment will improve your photography. When you start to understand that the photographer takes the picture and not the camera, instead of being a picture taker with all new equipment.

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Aug 16, 2017 09:20:18   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
cthahn wrote:
You problem is you think a new camera will take better pictures and continuing to purchase new equipment will improve your photography. When you start to understand that the photographer takes the picture and not the camera, instead of being a picture taker with all new equipment.


Please learn to use "quote reply" so that it is clear what you are responding to. You are clearly not responding to the chain of statements made by the OP who made his reasons for his wish to change clear in several different entries. Including comfort with the current equipment and lack of a lens for the camera that meets his needs. Nothing about believing that new equipment (actually old equipment since he is talking about going back to a system with which he is already familiar) will make him a better photographer.

As a result I believe you must be responding to some other commentor. If you had used "quote reply" we would know what that person had said.

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Aug 16, 2017 09:29:20   #
jlsphoto Loc: Chcago SubBurbs
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I have been a casual photographer for many years. I understand the exposure triangle and composition parameters, but there is so much I don't know.

I have traded upwards over the years from various Canons and now find myself owning a full-frame Sony a7ii, and a few lenses, including the 35 mm 2.8, the 70-200 f4 G lens and the 28-70 kit lens.

In my discouraged state of mind, I'm considering downgrading back to Canon, probably an 80D, or maybe venturing into smaller format Nikons.

Is this crazy? Should I just continue to struggle with the excellent equipment I currently use?
I have been a casual photographer for many years. ... (show quote)


One has to remember "Photographers" take pictures not the Camera! Work on your skills. You said you know the exposure triangle and composition parameters. Now remember you are photographing light. How does the light react with the subject matter. Work on reading light.

As photographers we need to understand the camera meters see everything as 18% middle gray. With digital the range of light shadows to highlights is less that with film. We need to understand this to expose for the best range our camera sensors can record. We have to learn to outthink the camera meter and for sure the camera on auto settings. What you are looking at and camera sees may be very different. You said you are going to keep your cameras, great.

Study how the meter works in your camera the different metering, average, spot, matrix. Work on these topics about seeing light and your photography will vastly improve. Get it right in camera to spend less time in post.

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Aug 16, 2017 09:51:04   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I have been a casual photographer for many years. I understand the exposure triangle and composition parameters, but there is so much I don't know.

I have traded upwards over the years from various Canons and now find myself owning a full-frame Sony a7ii, and a few lenses, including the 35 mm 2.8, the 70-200 f4 G lens and the 28-70 kit lens.

In my discouraged state of mind, I'm considering downgrading back to Canon, probably an 80D, or maybe venturing into smaller format Nikons.

Is this crazy? Should I just continue to struggle with the excellent equipment I currently use?
I have been a casual photographer for many years. ... (show quote)

Glad to see that the advice received here has encouraged you to stick with what you have and work with it more. I also have difficulty with hand-holding the camera for sharp images. So I use a tripod most of the time. If you have a good, steady tripod and a wired remote release, it makes a big difference. It is not cheap, but worth it if it re-ignites your photographic enthusiasm. There are some good threads on this forum about what to buy - to summarize, Feisol carbon fiber tripods are decently priced and good, then there are Really Right Stuff, etc.

The best way to get out of a slump is to just take pictures without caring if they are good or not. Pretty soon you start caring, and keep on taking pictures!

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Aug 16, 2017 10:28:35   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
This response below to my post fairly accurately describes the reason for my initial post. Perhaps my upgrade to the Sony a7ii changed my expectations and led to my ridiculous belief that I am supposed to be a better photographer. Moving back to my old Canon days, with a system I had used for years, perhaps seemed like a move that would make me relax more with my photography and thereby relief my current disappointments.

I have posted several of my photos on UHH, and some of them were, in my opinion, pretty darn good. Most of the photos I posted were generated by my a7ii, so I've gotten some good results with my a7ii. I have just felt "all thumbs" lately, and was searching for a simpler world that probably doesn't exist. I'm probably in a slump, caused in part by me not spending enough time with my camera equipment lately.

I greatly appreciate all of your comments and have decided that I just need to spend more time with my photography and work through my slump (with my a7ii). I should know that it is the person behind the camera, and not the camera, who makes good photos, and I guess I just needed someone to tell me what I already know.

Many thanks to all of you.
This response below to my post fairly accurately d... (show quote)

Just keep reading the posts here, doing the YouTube thing, reading the photography lit, and enjoying yourself. It's easy doing it that way...

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Aug 16, 2017 10:54:44   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I have been a casual photographer for many years. I understand the exposure triangle and composition parameters, but there is so much I don't know.

I have traded upwards over the years from various Canons and now find myself owning a full-frame Sony a7ii, and a few lenses, including the 35 mm 2.8, the 70-200 f4 G lens and the 28-70 kit lens.

In my discouraged state of mind, I'm considering downgrading back to Canon, probably an 80D, or maybe venturing into smaller format Nikons.

Is this crazy? Should I just continue to struggle with the excellent equipment I currently use?
I have been a casual photographer for many years. ... (show quote)


Rather than struggle with the equipment you currently use, why not get some training to use that equipment properly. You can upsize, downsize go to different formats but it sounds as if you have the proper equipment already. Just learn to use it. Check with a local camera store or maybe a community college, both of which should offer some training.

If there is something specific you are having a problem with ask right here on UHH and many members will be willing to give suggestions.

Dennis

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Aug 16, 2017 10:56:09   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
You guys really give me encouragement. and are wonderful amateur psychologists. Thank you.

I believe that I am in the photographic doldrums for a few reasons:

1.) I'm getting older and can't hold my camera as steady as I used to;

2.) I don't have a good "walking around" lens for my a7ii. The choices are somewhat limited and too heavy, which makes me long for my old Canon 70D and the excellent 18-85 lens (?) I used to used so much. I don't like carrying a heavy camera bag and changing lenses.

I also shoot with a Sony RX10ii. I love this camera in spite of the size of the sensor, because of the range of its zoom lens, 18-200. The a7ii should take better photos with its full frame sensor, but I need a good lens akin to the 18-200 on the RX10ii. I haven't found it yet. Perhaps I consider other lens options, like an adapter and the Tamron lens discussed in a recent UHH discussion.

3.) My hobby is very solitary, so I don't shoot as much as I would like. The camera club in my city is very cliquish and not very welcoming, and none of my personal friends are camera bugs.

A few good shoots, and some excellent photos to edit, is probably all I need to spark my enthusiasm. If I get out and shoot more regularly, I will become more comfortable with my a7ii and more confident with my abilities. Perhaps I should rewatch one of the rather long Gary Fong tutorials as well.

Enough rambling around. It's not time to abandon my a7ii. I just need to work with it more.
You guys really give me encouragement. and are won... (show quote)


A few points emerge from this discussion that are worthy of further consideration.

1) Getting old and infirm sucks, but not getting old sucks more. Keeping strong helps, taking a heavy camera out beats going to the gym as far as I am concerned, and the simple mass inertia of a decent DSLR and lens mitigates some of the lack of steadiness. Exercise, stay strong and active.

2) Changing equipment won't solve your underlying lack of motivation, get a new lens if you think it would help, but it isn't your equipment.

3) Perhaps you need to find a few projects to provide focus to your motivation. We live in interesting times, they are changing, and they need to be documented. You seem to live in the iconic city of Birmingham Alabama. Whatever political persuasion you or others come from, there is history in the making and plenty of opportunity to choose a photographic project. If not that, some other kind of project that provides a photographic focus, rather than just wandering around aimlessly snapping pictures.

Whatever you do, good luck, but find a purpose or better still, a mission where photography is the means but not the end.

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Aug 16, 2017 11:08:06   #
BebuLamar
 
I think the 28-70 is a good all around lens. I shoot most of my photos with the 24-85mm lens. I am old too but the weight rarely bother me (except in the past few days playing with the Nikon F4. Some how I have a hard time holding it. I don't have problem with the F3 and motor drive or the F5). I don't travel much and pretty much doing my hobby alone. I find subjects near by and around the house.

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