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Aug 11, 2017 11:36:33   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
get a fast lens. and most museums will not allow flash photography.

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Aug 11, 2017 11:39:20   #
Mercer Loc: Houston, TX, USA
 
I don't think the Sistine Chapel allows photos. I visited recently and found the crowds to be irreverent and noisy, even though silence was requested repeatedly. Frankly, I was ashamed of our tourists, most of whom were Americans. Even if you are not a Roman Catholic, or of any faith, please show respect for this most holy of places by wearing proper attire at at least removing your hat...both requested by vatican officials before the visit.

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Aug 11, 2017 11:51:19   #
jefren Loc: Montgomery, Alabama
 
I concur that the art photos that I take are not as good as those available for purchase, but I take them for other reasons. Here in my office, I'm looking at an electronic picture frame that shows photos of great art that I've taken. I get great joy from this. If you think that others will be impressed that you photographed some great art, you'll probably be disappointed. Since you're interested, give it a try. You may decide, like me, that you want to do it again, or you may decide to spend your time and energy in other ways. All the best....

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Aug 11, 2017 12:16:03   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Sometimes there is just too much negativity when this subject is discussed. Obviously, at certain venues photography is prohibited for a number of reasons- some justifiable and some are just downright silly- without scientific or other basis. So...enjoy your visit to theses places and buy the souvenir material if you so desire. What's, important, for the purposes of this thread and the answer to you question, is being able to capture some memorable images where photography IS permissible.

The images of great masterpieces that are published in books and what we see in fine quality lithographs are originally photographed under highly controlled conditions with polarized lighting and polarizing filters (a method called cross-polarization). Many of theses paintings are heavily varnished and have highly reflective surfaces or enclosed in showcases or displayed behind other barriers. These polarization methods enable cutting through the unwanted reflections and maintain a controlled level of contrast. In the film era, much of the original photography for art reproduction was done in large format on transparency film. View cameras with swings and tilts, enabled perspective control when difficult camera angles and camera position were encountered. Nowadays, much of this work is done on medium format digital equipment with perspective control lenses. My point it telling you all of this is twofold. You can not realistically expect the same level of quality that is obtainable by the aforementioned methods, however, you can extract a few tips form theses methodologies to help you get some pretty decent results.

Forget about flash for the most part. When photographing art in a gallery or architectural situation, on camera flash is virtually useless. Unless you are at an oblique angle to the surface of the artwork, you will usually end up with unwanted reflections from the surface or protective glass. Most speedlights will nor cover the field of view in very large works and murals and bounce flash methods will not work well in great halls with vaulted ceilings and far away walls. Galleries and museums usually have well placed lighting to illuminate the art pieces. A great accessory to bring along is a POLARIZING FILTER. This filter will enable you to eliminate many kinds of reflections form highly reflective surfaces, glass, or glass or Plexiglas enclosures. You can see the degree of reflection control by simply rotating the filter in its mount until the desired effect is obtained. This is not quiet as dramatically effective is the aforementioned cross-polarization method but it certainly helps. This filter is also great for landscape work for darkening skies, bringing out clouds and improving color saturation in many cases. You will looses about 2 f'/stops with this filter in place. Be sure to use a CIRCULAR polarizer in order to maintain your camera's auto-focus and exposure metering functionality.

Without a tripod, the use of a perspective control lens may me a cumbersome affair. You can try to shoot from a straight-on centered position and possibly correct slight perspective issues in post-production. Most situations can be handled with a normal prime or a fairly compact zoom lens, say 24-105mm on a fill frame sensor or the equivalent.

Here's the thing! Shooting carefully and using the polarizer for certain shots can give you some surprisingly good results in reproducing works of art, however, there is lots of other things you can do to make some memorable images. You can zoom in on details of large paintings or murals. This can reveal some awesome detail such as brush strokes and textures of canvas and pallet-knife (bas relief) paintings. If you can't get in close enough, concentrate on wide angle views showing the entire venue- even with many visitors in attendance- it's part and parcel of theses places. Oftentimes, including the people gives the large works of art scale and the people's reaction to theses exhibits can also make for interesting human interest shots. Sculptures and statues are best photographed with natural existing light, especially if the are placed where you can walk around them and find the best angle and lighting.

Many of the masterpieces were created my means of UNDER-PAINTING, that is, the artist built up his images with many layers of paint. This method gave their work incredible dimension and depth. Try photographing the detail from various angles to the light source and you will see some of the detail just pop off the page or screen when you view the results.

Most of us are not gonna make giant prints form our vacation shots so, when necessary, using a higher ISO setting when working in low light will not be a horrible “noise” factor. A tripod can be a drag when traveling and may be prohibited in many places. I like to use a small mono-pod with a neck strap (similar to a saxophone strap) or belt strap to steady the camera when required. A lens stabilization feature helps if you have that perk.

It is a good idea to try out some of these methods prior to you trip, perhaps at a local museum or gallery or with some artwork of you own or that of a friend.

Enjoy your trip and take lots of shots. Don't get to hung up on perfection- where you can't get the perfect shot go for the alternatives.

PS: I do a great deal of art reproduction for lithographic printing for our National Gallery, here in Canada and for art dealers and collectors for insurance, and evaluation purposes. Oftentimes the setups are very complex and require all kinds of special permissions and access. When I am a “tourist”, however, I just wing it and enjoy the absence of all the technicalities. Good luck! I call it ART REPRODUCTION ON THE FLY!

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Aug 11, 2017 12:50:49   #
mmatus
 
Would I ask about copy write protection? As permission about Michelangion works.

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Aug 11, 2017 12:57:13   #
alliebess Loc: suburban Philadelphia
 
mmatus wrote:
Would I ask about copy write protection? As permission about Michelangion works.


It's copyright and Michelangelo, please! Unless Michelangion is a new artist out there.
The museums which own the works of art also own the reproduction rights.

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Aug 11, 2017 13:07:07   #
williejoha
 
In a lot of places I have been to, a great amount of tourists are rude and inconsiderate which is a shame. My time and resources spent on a vacation are as valuable as anyone's picture of a painting or sculpture. I have learned of not to be to kind to a person showing no respect for their fellow tourist or venue. Call me viscous or mean, I can handle it, but that's the way it is with me.
WJH

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Aug 11, 2017 15:02:40   #
jefren Loc: Montgomery, Alabama
 
Thanks, E. L. Shapiro!

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Aug 11, 2017 15:25:33   #
ecurb1105
 
It's my understanding that most European museums prohibit tripods and flash. I would use my 24-120 and carry a 35mm for low light work. I have an f1.8 but if you are going to buy a lens, get the 35mm f2 D lens for your trip.

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Aug 11, 2017 15:27:57   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Yes, take photos but that should not be the "focus" of being inside there.


...I can only judge how *my* brain works. I'm very linear and, if I'm taking photos, the emphasis is very much on that act. However, the subject rarely, if ever, escapes me... ;0)

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Aug 11, 2017 15:31:15   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
ssymeono wrote:
I have been photographing in museums for professional purposes (professor of ancient art) for a long time. I have done it without flash or tripod, except in museums where I knew I would get permission to use both. The greatest challenge is the many sizes of works of art and the lack of adequate light. As many have suggested, a 24-70/2.8 would be an excellent choice. Even better would be three prime lenses: 28mm/1.4, 50mm/ 1.2, and 85mm/1.4; these could give the best results. If painting is what you like best, try photographing medium size canvases in 4-6 shots, larger ones in 9-12 shots, then merge them in PP and you will achieve much better color and less distortion than taking a single shot. Sculpture is more difficult to capture b/c of its 3-D form and you will have to shoot from several angles and sometimes close-ups to show the details, some important sculptures require as many as 36 shots. You might regret not having with you a macro (micro) lens for extreme close-ups that usually demonstrate much better the quality of a work of art.
I have been photographing in museums for professio... (show quote)


...I generally move faster than I should, so never has the thought "shoot pano" occurred to me when shooting art. Yes, indeed!

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Aug 11, 2017 16:36:06   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Michelangelo. Brings back memories of the excellent movie, that the late Charleton Heston and Rex Harrison stared in. Heston played Michelangelo. Harrison played the Pope. Beautiful Art displayed in that movie. I would use a 24-70mm f2.8 lens if I had one, but since I dont, I would go with my 35mm prime f1.8, on a crop sensor. A good Sony pocket camera, such as the RX100 series would also work.

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Aug 11, 2017 16:49:08   #
copladocus
 
Would a monopod be allowed? If so, use one. Put a head on it that makes it look like a cane on your way in...

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Aug 11, 2017 17:16:01   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Delderby wrote:
From what you say it would seem that you do not appreciate what hobby photographers are about. There will always be better pics taken for tourists and non-photographers, where all the circumstances are at there best. But there is nothing quite like our own pics. Our albums are made up of our own experiences - not by some pro who has been provided with every convenience to do the job. It is not a "waste" to "try the indoor shots" it is a challenge, which in itself is worthy of the hobby.
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There are many types of photographs a hobbyist with well developed skills have a chance to do as well as a professional - landscapes, wildlife, closeups, flowers, etc. But you have virtually no chance to make halfway decent photographs of artworks in a crowded museum without being able to use a tripod and lighting.

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Aug 11, 2017 18:05:25   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
I use 50mm f/1.4. The light will be low.
IIRC, photos not allowed in the Sistine Chapel AT ALL. Don't even try.

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